looking back on this thread, i seem to see a lot of excuses being made. everyone seems to be picking and choosing the version of ww they want to talk about, but when it comes to adam, no one really cares. at various times, ww was said to be gifted with the strength of gaea, the strenght of hercules and was said to be STRONGER than hercules as well. she was also SHOWN to be stronger than him on at least a COULPLE different occasions. to suggest hercules is NOT very close in strength to either adam or marvel is ridiculous. she was also said to be swifter than hermes. there is an issue of flash that has flash stating hermes is faster than he is. that isn't true but hermes is EXTREMELY fast. mach 3 is pretty funny.... diana is certainly NOT flash fast. but adam had his arse kicked by jay garrick in a race as well, so....neither is he. again, to suggest that their relative speeds are (in a general sense) greatly different is complete nonsense. is he more durable? yeah, probably. greatly so? not imo. she is more skilled, and has weapons to help balance that advantage.
everyone keeps talking about diana's feats, and seems to want to lowball. i really have seen ZERO adam scans that would go ahead and demonstrate this supposed 'great' superiority he is said to have. show me feats she couldn't replicate.
i'd be up for a bit of a scan challenge i guess. anything for either would be available pre-flashpoint (not pre-crisis obviously). if everyone is so confident that adam would win so convincingly (i actually gave him a 5.5/10 majority) it should be easy finding the scans to support a lop-sided win. someone from the adam side shows a scan, and all i have to do is show a scan that matches it. at least then someone who walks into the thread can form their own opinion based on actual PROOF. i await the adam scans.
Originally posted by riv6672BA can't fight. He has shown no fighting skill other than punching. WW is a master martial artist. She has shown the faster speed in combat, especially reflex speed. That alone will give her a 4 to 1 hit ratio or more over him. That type of hit ratio is a win.
Not going to argue circles when you're not even going to consider other outcomes.
The lasso is an auto win by her stunning BA momentarily and then using that fraction of a second to lasso him.
Originally posted by leonidas
everyone keeps talking about diana's feats, and seems to want to lowball. i really have seen ZERO adam scans that would go ahead and demonstrate this supposed 'great' superiority he is said to have. show me feats she couldn't replicate.
I've argued about Black Adam several times in the past, his feats are minimal compared to those of Diana. HOWEVER, comic comparisons with Captain Marvel are often positive and Billy has some stupid good feats.
Basically Billy is a beast and people give BA the pass because of it.
Originally posted by carver9
No they are not. ABHI didn't post everything. Right after that scene he posted, when Wonder Woman got serious, Powergirl couldn't even lay a hand on her.Wonder Woman was casually owning her. ABHI is a liar. I hope he continues with this Powergirl nonsense because I have been holding on to some scans to point out a lie he spread across KMC. Keep going ABHI.
I'm this close to reporting you now. Seriously **** off with your bullshit.
@bentley: i can acknowledge that. 👆
for the sake of the thread i'd go ahead and match marvel feats as well as adam feats. imo, marvel is actually GREATER than adam, but i'd see what i could do. my job isn't to exceed the feats--only approximate them, thereby proving how close they are in terms of overall power.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Are you ****ing kidding me? Wonder Woman explicitly stated that the reason she could avoid PG was due to her skills. Heck, PG wasn't even using her speed in that scene. She was just punching around in blind rage due to being mindcontrolled.I'm this close to reporting you now. Seriously **** off with your bullshit.
you HAD to quote that and throw this page all out of sh!t too??! 😠
Originally posted by leonidas
wait, i missed this--are saying trying to downplay her speed to....mach 3? 😑 i KNOW you don't need me to post some of her REAL speed feats, but i can.and she wouldn't go punch for punch with kal--though she lasted pretty damn well against the blood lusted supes when he thought she was doomsday and killed lois....if cap or ba faced superman in THAT state, i really doubt either would do noticeably better than she did.
again, given their respective origins, this fight really can't be viewed as anything but close.
She has good blocking feats, but in raw speed she would get destroyed by any good speedster.
In WW 219, he only landed one punch on her. It KTFOed her.
Origins only help her that much.
Originally posted by leonidas
looking back on this thread, i seem to see a lot of excuses being made. everyone seems to be picking and choosing the version of ww they want to talk about, but when it comes to adam, no one really cares. at various times, ww was said to be gifted with the strength of gaea, the strenght of hercules and was said to be STRONGER than hercules as well. she was also SHOWN to be stronger than him on at least a COULPLE different occasions. to suggest hercules is NOT very close in strength to either adam or marvel is ridiculous. she was also said to be swifter than hermes. there is an issue of flash that has flash stating hermes is faster than he is. that isn't true but hermes is EXTREMELY fast. mach 3 is pretty funny.... diana is certainly NOT flash fast. but adam had his arse kicked by jay garrick in a race as well, so....neither is he. again, to suggest that their relative speeds are (in a general sense) greatly different is complete nonsense. is he more durable? yeah, probably. greatly so? not imo. she is more skilled, and has weapons to help balance that advantage.everyone keeps talking about diana's feats, and seems to want to lowball. i really have seen ZERO adam scans that would go ahead and demonstrate this supposed 'great' superiority he is said to have. show me feats she couldn't replicate.
i'd be up for a bit of a scan challenge i guess. anything for either would be available pre-flashpoint (not pre-crisis obviously). if everyone is so confident that adam would win so convincingly (i actually gave him a 5.5/10 majority) it should be easy finding the scans to support a lop-sided win. someone from the adam side shows a scan, and all i have to do is show a scan that matches it. at least then someone who walks into the thread can form their own opinion based on actual PROOF. i await the adam scans.
What's next? Both Cap and Adam have totally overpowered J'onn. Wonder Woman is 1-5 against Martians in general.
What next? Green Lantern? Both Kyle and John have beaten her. We all saw how they fared against Adam.
Etrigan? Wonder Woman is 0-3 against etrigan.
I would like to see a single comparison where Diana looks better than a marvel.
@abhi: well...let's see the scans of the fights then i'll go ahead and see what i can find. btw i'd say when diana got seriously she easily dominated pg as well. and when she got serious against primaid, diana wrecked her too. those martians dominated the WHOLE league initially, so it doesn't really matter. she did at LEAST as well as any other leaguer against them. as for the lanterns--i'd need to see the fights with her again. i don't recall them off the top of my head. she's beaten a lantern in the past though, and on at least one occasion used her speed to simply take the ring from kyle's hand iirc.
i don't recall etrigan actually beating her either, so i'd need to see that as well.
Originally posted by leonidas
@abhi: well...let's see the scans of the fights then i'll go ahead and see what i can find. btw i'd say when diana got seriously she easily dominated pg as well. and when she got serious against primaid, diana wrecked her too. those martians dominated the WHOLE league initially, so it doesn't really matter. she did at LEAST as well as any other leaguer against them. as for the lanterns--i'd need to see the fights with her again. i don't recall them off the top of my head. she's beaten a lantern in the past though, and on at least one occasion used her speed to simply take the ring from kyle's hand iirc.i don't recall etrigan actually beating her either, so i'd need to see that as well.
Diana didn't wreck Primaid. She took her to upper atmosphere where Primaid suffocated.
And no, Kyle oneshotted the Martian sent against him. So did Wally. So did Superman until protex used kryptonite illusion. J'onn koed a Martian off panel and took his form. Malefic almost koed her with a blast of Martian vision. A random Martian overpowered her in JLA 57 until Superman saved her. Then she was oneshotted by a Martian in JLA 58.Jonn koed her in JLA Classified 45.
John beat her twice in Rebirth. Kyle oneshotted her in Virtue and Vice. A random Lantern was too much for her in her own book until she made him lose his concentration. A sinestro clone overpowered her in her own book until Hercules saved her.
Etrigan flat out overpowered her in The Demon v2 17 and Jason Blood had to save her. He again had her at his mercy in WW 107 until Phantom Stranger saved her. He wrecked her and Artemis together in WW 124.
Need I go on?
@abhi: nope, just need to show some of the scans. 😉 i could verbally wrangle feats all day but that isn't what i'm looking for. you're basing all this supposed superiority on ONE arc--ww3. i also seem to recall pg blasting the sh!t out of adam with a single heat vision blast.... and ww wasn't even trying, had no desire to harm pg, where adam was essentially blood lusted in ww3. i'm not interested in lowballing adam or marvel though (though that would be easy enough to do....) while ALL you're doing at this point is listing battles that make diana "look bad". show me good feats for adam or marvel, and i'll match them for diana and we'll get a solid comparison as opposed to all the abc logic and...."verbal interpretations" of the battles. or post battles and if i can find similar ones i'll do the same.