Originally posted by abhilegendPretty much just Thor can. With some questional showings behind him.
Also I find it amusing that Surfer can't even make Galactus blink when nearly every top tier can at least make him feel their attacks.
Beta with everything he had made a small crack in his armor. He was weakened more than normal in Cataclysm when he got knocked back while getting sucked off by a hole in space by Ult Thor. And the Dr Strange fight was complete horseshit, though still ultimately nothing. And Alpha Flight but the dimension screwed up Galactus's powers in addition to hunger. And Fallen One.
That's about it off the top of my head who have "effected" him. Though even The Devourer Galactus was tanking teams including Thor.
The only time he's ever been damaged by one when not hungry was by Thor when he pretty much knocked himself out while Galactus was tping Odin.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Pretty much just Thor can. With some questional showings behind him.Beta with everything he had made a small crack in his armor. He was weakened more than normal in Cataclysm when he got knocked back while getting sucked off by a hole in space by Ult Thor. And the Dr Strange fight was complete horseshit, though still ultimately nothing. And Alpha Flight but the dimension screwed up Galactus's powers in addition to hunger. And Fallen One.
That's about it off the top of my head who have "effected" him. Though even The Devourer Galactus was tanking teams including Thor.
The only time he's ever been damaged by one when not hungry was by Thor when he pretty much knocked himself out while Galactus was tping Odin.
Which other top tier has attacked Galactus and didn't do anything to him? Even Rulk with Surfer's powers got oneshotted by a hungry Galactus.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Nah, if that'd be a reason Tyrant or Fallen One wouldn't have been able to harm him.
Fair enough. It's a bit of a nit-picky thing to talk up though, isn't it? I mean, Galactus no-selling something isn't exactly a low showing for literally any herald. Yeah, it's happened where he's felt a blast or somesuch. But we're still talking about a guy who's only half a notch under the big-time abstracts. Everyone listed in this thread - Surfer included - has far worse showings if we want to compare embarrassing notes.
Originally posted by Digi
Fair enough. It's a bit of a nit-picky thing to talk up though, isn't it? I mean, Galactus no-selling something isn't exactly a low showing for literally any herald. Yeah, it's happened where he's felt a blast or somesuch. But we're still talking about a guy who's only half a notch under the big-time abstracts. Everyone listed in this thread - Surfer included - has far worse showings if we want to compare embarrassing notes.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I don't think it's a low showing for surfer. It's a little strange though.
Agreed on the former. On the latter, look at all those feats that were listed a bit earlier. The Thor one is from ages ago (and slightly amped, iirc). And each one is from a different book with different writers, many in different eras. Now add to that the master/servant relationship between G and Surfer, and I'd be shocked if any writer had the audacity to write it any other way. It's a narrative thing. Showing Big G getting got (briefly) by some big gun in their own book is one thing. Showing him getting rocked by the character they created specifically as his inferior....well, power levels are fluid in comics, but Marvel has at least that much sense.
Originally posted by abhilegendPeople he has completely tanked are the Avengers including Thor multiple times, Gladiator with the Avengers, Beta Ray Bill if you don't count cosmetic damage to his armor, Terrax when he wasn't a pussy, Skaar with everything he had, Hiro Kala at his max, Phoenix one shotted Nova by throwing her into Galactus and it did no damage, High Evolutionary, the entirety of Impossible Man's omniversal disturbing world, everything the Skrulls could throw at him, the most powerful weapons in the galaxy, he sat there and watched Thor Iron Man and Torch hit him in the face during Secret War without batting an eye, all of the Ultimates and pretty much every weapon they had, Surfer throwing a moon at him with a cheapshot that completely destroyed the moon, etc.
You pretty much named every top tier Galactus has fought. Only surfer has been totally ineffective against him out of those. Even Quasar did better than him in FF.Which other top tier has attacked Galactus and didn't do anything to him? Even Rulk with Surfer's powers got oneshotted by a hungry Galactus.
Edit: Ultron too.
Quasar made Galactus turn around and work on his converter because he was so disinterested. Quasar did absolutely nothing to Galactus and got tossed away like trash.
Also out of everyone besides Thor and the Alpha Flight scenario where his powers didn't work, Surfer did the best against Galactus in their initial appearances.
Originally posted by Ambient
That's because Surfer is and will always hold back against G .. 😅
Originally posted by Digi
Agreed on the former. On the latter, look at all those feats that were listed a bit earlier. The Thor one is from ages ago (and slightly amped, iirc). And each one is from a different book with different writers, many in different eras. Now add to that the master/servant relationship between G and Surfer, and I'd be shocked if any writer had the audacity to write it any other way. It's a narrative thing. Showing Big G getting got (briefly) by some big gun in their own book is one thing. Showing him getting rocked by the character they created specifically as his inferior....well, power levels are fluid in comics, but Marvel has at least that much sense.
Or we can always say Thor is more powerful than Surfer.
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Originally posted by Branlor SwiftI can only recall Thor unable to harm him in Devourer but he had absorbed the power from his ship there and Gladiator never directly attacked him there. Skaar/Terrax/Hiro Kala are huge pussies though. Phoenix KOing the weakest herald throwing at him doesn't means much. Spider Man and Secret Wars isn't actually canon AFAIK. Evolutionary was teleported to Negative Zone by Galactus and Galactus actually admitted that if Evolutionary's attack him, it might have devolved him.
People he has completely tanked are the Avengers including Thor multiple times, Gladiator with the Avengers, Beta Ray Bill if you don't count cosmetic damage to his armor, Terrax when he wasn't a pussy, Skaar with everything he had, Hiro Kala at his max, Phoenix one shotted Nova by throwing her into Galactus and it did no damage, High Evolutionary, the entirety of Impossible Man's omniversal disturbing world, everything the Skrulls could throw at him, the most powerful weapons in the galaxy, he sat there and watched Thor Iron Man and Torch hit him in the face during Secret War without batting an eye, all of the Ultimates and pretty much every weapon they had, Surfer throwing a moon at him with a cheapshot that completely destroyed the moon, etc.
All while hungry.
Edit: Ultron too.Yeah, that was good. I'll give you that.
Quasar made Galactus turn around and work on his converter because he was so disinterested. Quasar did absolutely nothing to Galactus and got tossed away like trash.Really? I recall it differently.
http://i.imgur.com/0uhhRMH.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KsId4Xb.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/fYTyBYQ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/bemdoSE.jpg
That's better than Surfer has ever done, holding off Galactus for several pages.
Also out of everyone besides Thor and the Alpha Flight scenario where his powers didn't work, Surfer did the best against Galactus in their initial appearances.Even in FF 50, Surfer did nothing against Galactus.
http://i.imgur.com/Gx7RoQ8.jpg
Mind you, under the same writer Thor managed to hurt Galactus just fine.
http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsGalactus3.jpg
Originally posted by abhilegendThor fought him more than once in that series. Wasn't shown to do anything to him. As well as the entire point of that story was that Galactus was feeding on basically nothing, and he was in a permanent state of hunger. He drained the ship because he was so drained already and it was a waste of energy had he not. Nowhere did it state it actually replenished him to a sizeable degree. He pretty much did the same thing during the Terrax fiasco and he was still heavily weakened.
I can only recall Thor unable to harm him in Devourer but he had absorbed the power from his ship there and Gladiator never directly attacked him there.
Really, you're going to take issue with Gladiator not doing anything to Galactus in your crusade against Surfer? Galactus tanking moons, and planets is ok, but not Gladiator?
I am fully aware of the artist error here too:
http://s238.photobucket.com/user/Branlactus/media/Fights%202/Heroes/GalactusTheDevourer6-24.jpg.html
http://s238.photobucket.com/user/Branlactus/media/Fights%202/Heroes/GalactusTheDevourer6-26.jpg.html
If we're arguing a stumble is damaging, then we might as well argue this is as well:
http://s238.photobucket.com/user/Branlactus/media/Fights%202/Heroes/Fantastic_Four_122_13.jpg.html
http://s238.photobucket.com/user/Branlactus/media/Fights%202/Heroes/Fantastic_Four_122_14.jpg.html
http://s238.photobucket.com/user/Branlactus/media/Fights%202/Heroes/Fantastic_Four_122_15.jpg.html
Originally posted by abhilegendSkaar caused immense damage to WWH.
[B Skaar/Terrax/Hiro Kala are huge pussies though. Phoenix KOing the weakest herald throwing at him doesn't means much. Spider Man and Secret Wars isn't actually canon AFAIK. Evolutionary was teleported to Negative Zone by Galactus and Galactus actually admitted that if Evolutionary's attack him, it might have devolved him. [/B]
But fine, weakened Galactus tanked Queen Caiera who was above Surfer in that arc, which I know you've used to try and downplay him before. As well as Skaar with Surfer's power cosmic. That better?
There's also a good chance Galactus was weakened against Sphinx considering he did it to immediately eat the planet, and he pretty much laughed off everything Sphinx did. Especially the first attack.
She threw Nova with pretty much everything she had, and she hit hard enough to get ko'ed by a throw.
Prove Spider Man and the Secret Wars isn't canon. And I don't mean with opinions, I mean a statement that explicitly says it isn't.
Looks like a hit to me. Though I fail to see how the evolving is relevant since your entire point is herald level attacks hurt Galactus. I'm talking blasts, not random shit. If that were the case, that opens up shit like Galactus tanking dimensional teleporters, black matter, and other such.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights/High%20Evolutionary/ffgalactus4zu2.jpg
Originally posted by abhilegendThat's pretty much two consecutive fights. It took 2 pages of talking for Quasar to go back and shield the eyeblasts after Galactus started ignoring him. Not to mention that's also like Quasar's highest shielding feat, and he would have been dead or at least KO'ed after Galactus knocked him back had he pursued it.
Really? I recall it differently.http://i.imgur.com/0uhhRMH.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KsId4Xb.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/fYTyBYQ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/bemdoSE.jpgThat's better than Surfer has ever done, holding off Galactus for several pages.
But regardless, your point was that every top tier besides Surfer has damaged him. Quasar shielding himself isn't the same as doing good.
Anyway, this is at least on par, or exceeds it.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Heroes/MarvelsGreatestComics037-0002.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Heroes/MarvelsGreatestComics037-0003.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Heroes/MarvelsGreatestComics037-0005.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Heroes/MarvelsGreatestComics037-0006.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Heroes/MarvelsGreatestComics037-0011.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Heroes/MarvelsGreatestComics037-0012.jpg
All both were were varying degrees of nothing. Temporary shielding of eyeblasts vs temporary trapping of Galactus.
Originally posted by abhilegendLike I said, pretty much Thor is the only thing on that level that has caused him damage. Not sure what the point of posting the scan was if you were actually reading what I wrote.
Even in FF 50, Surfer did nothing against Galactus.http://i.imgur.com/Gx7RoQ8.jpg
Mind you, under the same writer Thor managed to hurt Galactus just fine.
http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsGalactus3.jpg
Surfer not being able to damage him is how it should be. Same with all the other beings. Thor shouldn't be able to either, but it is what it is. You trying to take away all the other things he's tanked still doesn't change the facts. Only Thor and a context heavy battle between Alpha Flight/Avengers have really injured him when he's hungry. On that level anyway.
When shit like this exists, why should Surfer be able to do anything:
http://s238.photobucket.com/user/Branlactus/media/Durability/exc14p20.jpg.html
http://s238.photobucket.com/user/Branlactus/media/Durability/exc14p21.jpg.html
Originally posted by Branlor SwiftLike I said, its his best showing against Thor while hungry.
Thor fought him more than once in that series. Wasn't shown to do anything to him.
As well as the entire point of that story was that Galactus was feeding on basically nothing, and he was in a permanent state of hunger. He drained the ship because he was so drained already and it was a waste of energy had he not. Nowhere did it state it actually replenished him to a sizeable degree.He was still more powerful than he was in FF 242 or 243 where Thor knocked him for a loop. In Devourer, nobody was able to harm him.
He pretty much did the same thing during the Terrax fiasco and he was still heavily weakened.Your point is?
Really, you're going to take issue with Gladiator not doing anything to Galactus in your crusade against Surfer?Crusade against surfer? Gladiator didn't even attacked Galactus directly.
Galactus tanking moons, and planets is ok, but not Gladiator?Who said its not okay? I think no top tier should be able to harm Galactus, but that's not comics have shown us on average.
I am fully aware of the artist error here too:That Gladiator was just flying around Galactus doing nothing? Yeah, that's some atrocious art. But what can you do?
http://s238.photobucket.com/user/Branlactus/media/Fights%202/Heroes/GalactusTheDevourer6-24.jpg.html
http://s238.photobucket.com/user/Branlactus/media/Fights%202/Heroes/GalactusTheDevourer6-26.jpg.html
If we're arguing a stumble is damaging, then we might as well argue this is as well:Where surfer unloads fully on Galactus to the point he koes himself by hitting a wall while Galactus is fully unscathed? Great showing there for soarin' norrin!!!
http://s238.photobucket.com/user/Branlactus/media/Fights%202/Heroes/Fantastic_Four_122_13.jpg.html
http://s238.photobucket.com/user/Branlactus/media/Fights%202/Heroes/Fantastic_Four_122_14.jpg.html
http://s238.photobucket.com/user/Branlactus/media/Fights%202/Heroes/Fantastic_Four_122_15.jpg.html
Skaar caused immense damage to WWH.While amped on kinetic energy by Hulk's footsteps. Surfer koed him with bare fists while he was amped on the Old Power of Sakkar. Pardon me if I'm not too impressed by him.
Terrax lifted the entire island of Manhattan into outer space effortlessly in that same arc.That's cool. He also got beat up by Thing.
And hit Galactus with pretty much the same attack he destroyed a planet with.Oh, I didn't know we are using a feat which happened decades later to hype Terrax up. But I've never been impressed with space cheese like you.
Didn't Hiro pull a planet out of the Microverse and steer it into Earth?And got casually bitchslapped by a holding back Hulk?
But fine, weakened Galactus tanked Queen Caiera who was above Surfer in that arc, which I know you've used to try and downplay him before. As well as Skaar with Surfer's power cosmic. That better?She didn't even attacked him IIRC. Surfer is a total ***** against Galactus, we have already established that.
There's also a good chance Galactus was weakened against Sphinx considering he did it to immediately eat the planet, and he pretty much laughed off everything Sphinx did. Especially the first attack.Cool.
She threw Nova with pretty much everything she had, and she hit hard enough to get ko'ed by a throw.Really?
It didn't look like that's all she got.
Prove Spider Man and the Secret Wars isn't canon. And I don't mean with opinions, I mean a statement that explicitly says it isn't.Come on bran, its a Marvel Adventures all ages book.
See that logo on the cover?
Looks like a hit to me.Although Galactus says otherwise?
Though I fail to see how the evolving is relevant since your entire point is herald level attacks hurt Galactus. I'm talking blasts, not random shit. If that were the case, that opens up shit like Galactus tanking dimensional teleporters, black matter, and other such.You are the one who said he took out Evolutionary effortlessly, not me.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights/High%20Evolutionary/ffgalactus4zu2.jpg
That's pretty much two consecutive fights. It took 2 pages of talking for Quasar to go back and shield the eyeblasts after Galactus started ignoring him. Not to mention that's also like Quasar's highest shielding feat, and he would have been dead or at least KO'ed after Galactus knocked him back had he pursued it.You are acting like I disagree with you on that. I don't. But holding Galactus off for several pages is better than what Surfer has ever done.
But regardless, your point was that every top tier besides Surfer has damaged him. Quasar shielding himself isn't the same as doing good.Not everyone. I said almost everyone. And Quasar hurt him in Alpha Flight 100.
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Anyway, this is at least on par, or exceeds it.You know that's a reprint of FF 50, right?
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Heroes/MarvelsGreatestComics037-0002.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Heroes/MarvelsGreatestComics037-0003.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Heroes/MarvelsGreatestComics037-0005.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Heroes/MarvelsGreatestComics037-0006.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Heroes/MarvelsGreatestComics037-0011.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Heroes/MarvelsGreatestComics037-0012.jpg
All both were were varying degrees of nothing. Temporary shielding of eyeblasts vs temporary trapping of Galactus.Not really. Galactus was totally unfazed by Surfer's attack, Quasar was actually matching eyeblasts from an angry Galactus.
Like I said, pretty much Thor is the only thing on that level that has caused him damage. Not sure what the point of posting the scan was if you were actually reading what I wrote.And BRB. And Hercules in Alpha Flight. Or Black Bolt. Or Dr. Strange.
Surfer not being able to damage him is how it should be. Same with all the other beings. Thor shouldn't be able to either, but it is what it is. You trying to take away all the other things he's tanked still doesn't change the facts. Only Thor and a context heavy battle between Alpha Flight/Avengers have really injured him when he's hungry. On that level anyway.I agree that no top tier should be able to harm him. But the facts are facts.
When shit like this exists, why should Surfer be able to do anything:You know it was a danger to omniverse due to its nature and not from any power levels, right?
http://s238.photobucket.com/user/Branlactus/media/Durability/exc14p20.jpg.html
http://s238.photobucket.com/user/Branlactus/media/Durability/exc14p21.jpg.html
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
And Fallen One I guess but his power is a big question mark. Though with your argument right now, you'd think you'd freely accept him being more powerful than Surfer, especially when he has so few "low showings" to disregard it.Not sure what your game is here.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
How many fights did Surfer had with Thor and how many did ge win?
