Worst lightsaber duelists

Started by McP3 pages

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I would say, that it was superior power that enabled Bane to take an advantage over Kas'Im.
But I guess, that in DK's mind, Kas'Im was still a bit more skilled duelist, since Bane had no answer to his ultimate tactic.

His "ultimate tactic" was deliberately sabotaging Bane's training by supressing knowledge of Jar Kai. Such a great duelist that he has to cheat in order to beat a less skilled opponent that even drove him back 👆.

Well, that being said, they both suck.

Probably not Bane holding him back and driving him back is a good showing in spite of only training for a bit. He would've lost the duel but not because of any skill gap between them, but only because of how badly Kas'im needed to cheat. Kas'im is the one that sucks, tbh. Granted Bane never really ever got better as a duelist himself.

That wasn't cheat at all. Just Bane's lack of knowledge.

And Thanaton became a powerhouse later on and Kas'im was a master of all forms, including Jar Kai. Neither of those translate to 'worst duelists ever'. I mean, he wasn't very good, but not the worst of all time, either.

Han Solo.

Trainee Ben Skywalker.

He couldn't even make Luke ignite his saber, and was said to have been so bad that even youngling's had superior saber skills.

Well, logically/consistently, most people really wouldn't be able to make Luke get out his blade.

But yeah, being worse than Rontos isn't very good.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Based on what is he a poor duelist?

The fact that his own ally told him "stay back! you'll just get in the way!" Not exactly a ringing endorsement.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I'm pretty sure it does actually. I'm pretty sure that skills in the use of a lightsaber pretty directly translate into being good in a fight. You know, since lightsaber techniques are kind of meant to be used in a fight. That's what they were literally developed for. It's like saying that a guy who's a fully trained marksman wouldn't be a good shot. I'm pretty damn sure that he would be. That's almost a redundant sentence because that's the same thing.

No offence but I think you're missing the point here.

ALL martial arts, armed or unarmed are (at their core) meant to be used in a fight (although obviously some have drifted away from that focus over time). The point is that simply knowing how to do the moves isn't enough BY ITSELF. Again, you can be able to perform the techniques perfectly but unless you possess understanding of timing, positioning, anticipating an opponent and so on, you're going to get beaten. I once read a quote, something to the effect of "knowing how to do the moves is useless unless you know WHEN and WHERE to use them."

That is what I meant when I said that "perfect form" by itself doesn't mean much in a real fight.

To use your metaphor, a fully trained marksman would be a good shot when he's shooting at bullseyes on a firing range but put him in live combat against guys shooting back and see how well he does there.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Also since Farfalla's style is highlighted as graceful, I think its most likely he was a Makashi duelist.

Sure, just not a very good one.

Originally posted by carthage
Probably not Bane holding him back and driving him back is a good showing in spite of only training for a bit. He would've lost the duel but not because of any skill gap between them, but only because of how badly Kas'im needed to cheat. Kas'im is the one that sucks, tbh. Granted Bane never really ever got better as a duelist himself.
you can't cheat in lightsabe dueling lol. There are no guidelines that everyone must follow or else the lightsaber police will find you. Kas'im didnt NEED to train people in kar'kai. He wasnt morally or contractially bound to do so. That was just Kas'im being cunning and grabbing an advantage

Originally posted by chilled monkey

Sure, just not a very good one.

From the sound of it he seemed reasonable skilled, it's just he didn't have an answer for power and a good hit from Orbalisk Bane could knock the saber out of his hand even if he blocked.

But, if he was fighting someone not as strong, who couldn't do that, then he's in a pretty nice position.

His problem was mainly fighting a master who was also, like, twice as strong as him. Orbalisk Bane isn't exactly a normal foe strength wise.

Kinda like how when Savage Opress showed up, a lot of skilled foes had trouble with his strength.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian

Zayne Carrick.

Zayne, for all he was called incompetent at being a Jedi, was able to, by the end, hold on the defense pretty well against a skilled foe. Granted, that's just-defense, and Alek and Jarael were both better, but that's really no shame.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Also I don't even know why Volfe Karkko carries a lightsaber.

Hey, sometimes you just wanna kill someone weaker.

Revan.