Vader vs. TOR Jedi strike team

Originally posted by carthage
Except that Fisto, Kolar, and Tiin all have combat showings unlike the losers that failed to get Vitiate 👆

Was Revan a looser too? 🙄

Originally posted by carthage
Not to mention being known as the most skilled Jedi produced by the order >>> your claim that the TOR Jedi were any good.

Among the celebrated swordsmen and among the strongest are two different points.

Even in the matters of dueling ability, command of the Force and strength are important determinants.

Originally posted by carthage
Vader beat 5 Jedi barely into his suit, and that was decades before his prime.

Originally posted by carthage
These mooks have nothing saying they even approach Vader in skill other than your claim they're good. Also please show me any feats that prove Vader doesn't blitz them or stomp them with his telekinesis

HoT stalemated Emperor's Wrath and overwhelmed several highly impressive warriors earlier such as Darth Angral, Lord Praven, and Bengel Morr. He had very impressive resume by the end of Act II.

The other are among the strongest Jedi the Order have ever produced as well. They are far from being mooks.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yes. The whole point of the Strike team is that they're the Order's "best and brightest". If they were crap that would make no goddamn sense. Multiple sources all say they were among, if not the strongest and most powerful Jedi in the Order. Vader can't defeat 4 opponents of that caliber at once. Put him up against Fisto, Kolar, Mundi and Tiin and I'd say the same thing.

Those 5 Jedi that Vader beat were wounded agricultural corpsmen. 😬

Just ignore carthage Legend, he's not worth the time.

Originally posted by WildBantha88
Cin Drallig is also supposed to be a really good master so your point is mute

Sub in Drallig and I'd still back the team.

Originally posted by carthage
Except that Fisto, Kolar, and Tiin all have combat showings unlike the losers that failed to get Vitiate 👆

Not nearly good enough feats to put them in the 'most celebrated swordsmen of the Order' category, with the exception of Fisto.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Those 5 Jedi that Vader beat were wounded agricultural corpsmen. 😬

Just ignore carthage Legend, he's not worth the time.

And these 5 Jedi have no feats that suggest they're any better than those Jedi Vader stomped barring Hero 👆. Again still waiting for anything other than your opinion that place 00ber Jedi like Tol Braga above Luke, Kenobi, or any of the legions of other Jedi Vader has killed in his career as a Sith

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
Not nearly good enough feats to put them in the 'most celebrated swordsmen of the Order' category, with the exception of Fisto.

Your opinion, much? Kolar stomped Vos who has his own sets of feats, and the accolade still stands regardless of what you think of it. These TOR Jedi literally have nothing to their name, Vader has moved faster than mooks like this could even perceive:

"He is a former associate, yes, but --"

It happened before he could get out another word. Faster than an eyeblink. Faster than he'd seen anyone move, anyone except Yoda.

The lightsaber hadn't been there, and then it was, and the lightsaber was a blur. Vader moved without seeming to move, and the lightsaber sliced into Roan, straight into his chest. Straight into his heart.

His first blow was easily parried. He came at Vader again. Again. Circling, jumping, vaulting past him, turning. Each time his lightsaber came toward him, it was either deflected in a shock that ran up his arm, or... Vader simply wasn't there.

Credit to Shootingnova for the quotes

So unless you've got something to suggest these Jedi don't get stomped, this is a mismatch

I didn't know Vader killed Luke. That must have been a controversial edit from Lucas.

I think everyone here is a tad bit exaggerating (though I realize I'll be probably accused of doing the same lol). In a pure saber duel, there would be no stomp, but I'm leaning decisively towards Vader.

In a Force battle Vader could be able to stomp at least 3 of those masters, but he'd hardly choose to, unless he feels he won't win the duel, which I find unlikely. So it would be a sabers fight.

As for sabers, we're all generally aware of most of Vader's feats, but there's a particular showing I'd like to emphasize here: comfortably defeating Boba Fett while holding back.

Now, this might not come across as impressive, but it is, because Boba gave Obi-Wan a hard fight, and that happened only a year after ROTS, when Boba was a teenager. Sure, both fights were somewhat circumstancial (Boba had help from another bounty hunter, and Obi Wan was aided by Ferus Olin), but that's quite telling about Vader's skill level before and up to ANH.

This also indicates that Boba is as skilled as his father,who could one-shot multiple Jedi with his bare hands, yet the latter had problems with AOTC Kenobi. It also proves that Vader is capable of doing the same, because the Enemy Of The Empire comic stated that Boba would be no match for the Sith in close/melee combat. And this is just ANH Vader.

Let's clarify I'm not arguing that ANH Vader is better than or even equal to ROTS Kenobi, just that he is comparable.

Now, add to that the huge skill upgrade he received between ANH and TESB+ another (though probably marginal) skill improvement after TESB, and that should be enough to put him at least very close to Dooku/Mace skill level.

On top of that, Vader was called "the greatest Jedi killer of all time" by Palpatine himself.

Now, while the accolade is clearly subjective and might be addressing a combination of skill and power, if taken as an indication of the former, it would put him above EU Grievous (who was one of Palpatine's minions and the Emperor is very unlikely to be unaware of his feats), someone who killed several companies of clone troopers + several Jedi with his bare claws before receiving any formal training with the lightsaber.

Overall, I'd say Vader wins in a good fight.

Originally posted by Nargaroth
I think everyone here is a tad bit exaggerating (though I realize I'll be probably accused of doing the same lol). In a pure saber duel, there would be no stomp, but I'm leaning decisively towards Vader.

[b]In a Force battle Vader could be able to stomp at least 3 of those masters,

...

Overall, I'd say Vader wins in a good fight. [/B]

Originally posted by Stigma
I don't think I follow. How is that a good fight if ealeir you say Vader can stomp 3/4 of the team from the start?

I was talking about his Force powers, but since he is unlikely to try to stomp those masters with them (or at least not all of them at once), I said that he would win in a good fight sabers wise.

Oh I see. Must have misintepreted that part.

Originally posted by Nargaroth
I was talking about his Force powers, but since he is unlikely to try to stomp those masters with them (or at least not all of them at once), I said that he would win in a good fight sabers wise.

He already beat a decent level of fodder Jedi on Kessel. There is nothing to suggest that these TOR Jedi barring Hero are any better than those masters, and Vader beat them well before his prime. Not to mention his durability, speed, easily exceed any of the Jedi here.

Originally posted by carthage
He already beat a decent level of fodder Jedi on Kessel. There is nothing to suggest that these TOR Jedi barring Hero are any better than those masters, and Vader beat them [b]well before his prime. Not to mention his durability, speed, easily exceed any of the Jedi here. [/B]

I doubt that those masters on Kessel are better than the ones here.

However, there's something I recently discovered that I'm sure you will find interesting. One of those Jedi was a Morgukai warrior:

Ma'kis'shaalas: A Morgukai warrior and Nikto Jedi Master, he survived Order 66. Master Ma'kis'shaalas was known as a fanatical adherent to the Jedi Order, and a fierce combatant. He agreed to meet Master Shadday Potkin on Kessel as part of a plot to ensnare Darth Vader. Vader cut Ma'kis'shaalas down in combat.

-- The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia

A description of the Morgukai:

"The red-skinned Kajain'sa'Nikto subspecies famously produced one of the most elite warrior traditions in the galaxy: the "Jedi-killing" cult of the Morgukai. These peerless duelists are among the only non-Force users to repeatedly defeat both Jedi and Sith in melee combat. Fortunately for their opponents, the Morgukai's numbers remain few, but their battle tactics are closely guarded secrets."

-- Star Wars: The Old Republic Encyclopedia

(credit to ILS for the last one)

Sel stop being so mean pls

Originally posted by psmith81992
By embarrassing himself, he's not being mean. You have to make a valid point in order to qualify being a dick. Otherwise he just sounds stupid. Not to mention, he's proven that he can't read.

This guy really seems to struggle with personal pronouns.

I like how people know Revan, a Vader-tier combatant, could ragdoll most of this team, but still think Vader can't pull a win. The double standards on this forum be fierce.

Ans I like how people on this forum still apply fault ABC reasoning. And seem to forget that Revan lost. Both times.

It has shit to do with ABC reasoning, actually. This team is weak as hell and SoR proved this. The fact is, as long as it has the TOR stamp of approval, you, LeGenD, and the rest of the brigade will come out in full force, unless Bane or Zannah is involved, then a rift forms. Every combatant here is outclassed. Every combatant here could only dream of dealing With Vader's TK, let alone his saber skills, but they win, in your mind, because #TehOldRepublekz. It's not really surprising at this point. Just really, really sad.

This guy really seems to struggle with personal pronouns.

Freshest be bae'in.

Originally posted by psmith81992
Besides not being able to read, don't think you know what a pronoun is 😂

I don't think you understood the joke.

Shocker. 🙄