Lady Shiva, Taskmaster, & Mister X vs Who

Originally posted by cdtm
Because then it comes down to speed and reflex. Lets say Mr. X lands a kick at Wolverine's side. Logan isn't prepared in advance, but he still manages to counter on reflex because of all his training.

Nothing to read there, because Logan is working off muscle memory and reactions.

It's a large part of why Spidey often gets tagged, despite his SS. Landing a jump kick to the back of Steel Serpents head, for example, and getting tagged in mid air despire knowing it's coming.

Scorp, Danny, Doc Oct, Tombstone, and others (Hell, even Logan to Spider Oct) approaching his speed level all manage to catch him flat footed like that.

None of what you said will work and this is why.

Spiderman and X powers are nothing alike.

That's why he couldn't read Logan.

He has trouble reading instinct and reflex, and Danny and Spidey both have answers to that (Not only by the drunken style example, ftr.)

Originally posted by cdtm
That's why he couldn't read Logan.

He has trouble reading instinct and reflex, and Danny and Spidey both have answers to that (Not only by the drunken style example, ftr.)

He had trouble reading Logan because of Logan's berserker rage. Not because of some type of skill. Logan's berserker rage clouded his mind which resulted in X not being able to read his thoughts.

Where did you get he have trouble reading instinct and reflexes?

Because he had trouble reading Logan's berserker rage.

There's nothing unique or magic about it, it simply puts him in a feral state. That's the definition of acting instinctively, without conscious thought.

Originally posted by cdtm
Because he had trouble reading Logan's berserker rage.

Everyone does.

Originally posted by cdtm
There's nothing unique or magic about it, it simply puts him in a feral state. That's the definition of acting instinctively, without conscious thought.

No magic, but it IS unique. You won't find another berserker that retains his skills during the rage.

Originally posted by cdtm
Because he had trouble reading Logan's berserker rage.

There's nothing unique or magic about it, it simply puts him in a feral state. That's the definition of acting instinctively, without conscious thought.

So your entire argument is based off of berserker rage? Something that X trained for later on. Berserker rage won't even work anymore and using it goes against the tactic you brought up anyways.

Originally posted by carver9
So your entire argument is based off of berserker rage? Something that X trained for later on. Berserker rage won't even work anymore and using it goes against the tactic you brought up anyways.

No, that's not my argument. I'm simply responding to your question as to why I believe Mr. X would have trouble reading instinctual reflex.

And you're right about Mr. X's tp and the SS being different. SS is a lot better, because it warns against the direction of danger, as well as severity of said danger, and isn't reliant in neural impulses.

But my main point, is Spidey KNEW an attack was coming, and couldn't do anything about it. Because he wasn't fast enough to avoid it.

And Mr. X isn't much faster then Logan, if at all. If Logan went on the defense, one of two things could happen:

Mr. X knows what Logans up to, and keeps his distance. Stalemate.

Or, Mr. X takes his chances and attacks. Precog or not, that creates openings, especially against a guy with adamantium claws.

How would that create openings when X will know what Logan next move is? He is fast enough to dodge whatever set up Logan is trying to deploy. Wolverine has had X in killing positions before and got out of them just fine (outside of the times Logan was in a rage).

Originally posted by carver9
How would that create openings when X will know what Logan next move is? He is fast enough to dodge whatever set up Logan is trying to deploy. Wolverine has had X in killing positions before and got out of them just fine (outside of the times Logan was in a rage).

Because to attack, you have to advance towards an opponent, and at risk of being attacked yourself, and this particular opponent has obscene damage soak.

Logan could afford to take a hit, or twelve, if it brings X close enough to pop a claw while he's being beat on. I mean, Ali was a lot faster then Frasier, and much more skilled, but Ali kept getting hit because there's no way to really defend against a counter hit when the other guy can take it, and just doesn't care.

Originally posted by cdtm
Because to attack, you have to advance towards an opponent, and at risk of being attacked yourself, and this particular opponent has obscene damage soak.

Logan could afford to take a hit, or twelve, if it brings X close enough to pop a claw while he's being beat on. I mean, Ali was a lot faster then Frasier, and much more skilled, but Ali kept getting hit because there's no way to really defend against a counter hit when the other guy can take it, and just doesn't care.

Can just take it?

Are you sure? X is skilled enough to drop Logan with hits that bypassed his healing factor.

Whoa, wait a sec. Let's be fair here, Logan's HF wasn't exactly working at its peak right at that moment.

It was a really busy day for him; shot, stabbed, burned, etc.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Whoa, wait a sec. Let's be fair here, Logan's HF wasn't exactly working at its peak right at that moment.

It was a really busy day for him; shot, stabbed, burned, etc.

True. There's no denying that since that was the reason X sent the soldier after Logan anyways, to moisten his healing factor up. It was still pretty high though...not at his best but it was still up there.

I think Gorgon (Tomi) would beat their asses.

Originally posted by Rezactic
I think Gorgon (Tomi) would beat their asses.

He's middle meta, I think.

Anyways, my three teams would do it 😈

Bump

My three teams can still do it.

Fantomex
Longshot
Judomaster

Jakita Wagner
Spiderwoman
Beast

So if Longshot could win in a pure hand to hand fight?

He still has his luck powers, just like I assumed. Tasky has his copy powers and X had his powers?

http://m.imgur.com/n3EIYl6

His moves appear random (bad news for Tasky and X) yet, they always work.

They won't be able to get a bead on him, meanwhile, Fantomex os there misdirecting the hell out of everyone (and is immune to X) and Judomaster cannot be hit.