Native Actors Walk off Set of Adam Sandler Movie

Originally posted by dadudemon
So let me get this straight...

They were completely unaware of the script/themes/setting and were offended by the content of the movie before they signed on/signed a contract/started acting in the film?

Sounds like a ploy, to me. Anyone with even a little bit of knowledge on how an actor gets a job in a movie knows that this is just an attention-ploy.

Sorry, not buying this politically correct bullshit.

"I'm soooo offended about a movie I signed up for, have a contract on, and was participating acting in, and was blind-sided by completely out-of-nowhere racism!" GTFO 😬

Originally posted by Mindset
Didn't you just post how it's unreasonable for them to think they would?

I think a contribution like...removing a genocidal joke against Apaches would be an appropriate recommendation/advice that they would take/listen to.

But asking Adam Sandler - a person known for his movies being racist (mostly against Jews and blacks) in over-the-top absurd portrayals - to fundamentally change the nature of a film is rather stupid. Not just dumb: it's stupid. This is why I think this was just a SJW ploy (other than the obvious "we didn't know anything about the film" point I made earlier).

Originally posted by Mindset
It's like me promising if you bought a new car I'd help you pay for it, then I gave you 1 dollar toward the payment.

"Wtf, man, I fulfilled my promise!"

Yes, this is a good analogy.

How dare you ignore my laughing indian. 🙂

Originally posted by dadudemon
I think a contribution like...removing a genocidal joke against Apaches would be an appropriate recommendation/advice that they would take/listen to.

But asking Adam Sandler - a person known for his movies being racist (mostly against Jews and blacks) in over-the-top absurd portrayals - to fundamentally change the nature of a film is rather stupid. Not just dumb: it's stupid. This is why I think this was just a SJW ploy (other than the obvious "we didn't know anything about the film" point I made earlier).

Yes, this is a good analogy.

They knew this movie would be offensive, they just didn't know to what level. When they no longer felt comfortable with the direction the movie was going, they foolishly took the producers words at face value and tried to voice their complaints. Then they got told, "Nope, we're not changing it, leave if you want", so they left. This is a more reasonable scenario than them agreeing to make a movie then quitting so they could get some attention for 5 minutes IMO.

Daduemon
No, what happened was, some people signed up for a movie that they knew exactly what it was about.

After being reassured precisely on an area where the producers turned out to be lying to them.

So no, that's a lie. If you gotta make up your argument, what's the point?

Seems like they did so specifically to make a point about it being offensive. That's pretty obvious.

What a bankrupt argument 🙂

"These people didn't encounter something offensive and get offended as a result, why, they were just looking to be offended!" (Meanwhile, everything they named as a problem really is there and really is a problem)

Turned out, things were horrible *and* the reassurances that there was a cultural advisor was worth squat.

And notably, the producers went to cast them in the first place.

It is highly unlikely that they did not read the script.

Actually, extras and minor roles often don't get full scripts.

And as others mentioned, some of the problems aren't even ones in the script, but rather simple things like costuming.

Too long;didn't read version- Dadudemon doesn't like people being offended for pretty legitimate reasons.

Why should we care that you're offended by people reacting to legitimate issues?

Heck, to borrow your own words, you're just looking to get offended, and with far less reason.

Originally posted by Squirtle
They complain about being stereotyped in the script but then say it makes them look like comanches? ...lol

The costuming did.

It's sorta like having your Chinese characters all dress up as Japanese... conflating two groups that don't even like each other (the Comanche invaded the Apache before the western settlers even got there, to fairly brutal results).

And it's something that could be changed without even script changes, showing the depth of how little effort they were willing to spend in the area.

Makes sense.

Extras and background actors are not provided scripts. They are cast in groups and pulled from piles of headshots. Knowing something is a comedy beforehand doesn't mean "Oh so this will be offensive and I know what I'm getting into."

Extras and group casting aren't even provided full breakdowns of the plot of the movie. It reads more like this:

"RUSH CASTING CALL:

LOOKING FOR REAL APACHE NATIVE AMERICANS
20'S TO 30'S
FOR A MAJOR MOTION PICTURE COMEDY"

Similar to that ^

So an apache goes and gets approved and shows up and then realizes the content of the movie. They think "Wait...this stuff is wrong guys."

"Excuse me, film advisor? This isn't actually right."

The advisor responds with an answer that essentially means that "doesn't matter."

The Apache indians, realizing this film is racist nonsense, leave. They don't picket the movie. They don't sue. They just don't take part. A journalist hears this and interviews them. They express that sentiment.

But they are sensitive idiot jerks who knew what they were getting into....?

Originally posted by Quincy
The Apache indians, realizing this film is racist nonsense, leave. They don't picket the movie. They don't sue. They just don't take part. A journalist hears this and interviews them. They express that sentiment.

But they are sensitive idiot jerks who knew what they were getting into....?

'Xactly.

Dadudemon is just trying to be edgy, while ironically resembling an overly sensitive idiot.

DDM hates Native Americans.

I've been saying that for years.

Originally posted by Q99
After being reassured precisely on an area where the producers turned out to be lying to them.

See, there you go, again, making things up. Producers reassured them, eh?

So you want them to be cast into extra roles but yet they had meetings with producers over the nature of the film's racism and got to be reassured, huh? How much do you have to make up before you start to disbelieve your position?

It turns out, the producers told them to leave if they hated the content. That's actually what happened. There were no meetings with the producers where the producers reassured them.

Originally posted by Q99
So no, that's a lie. If you gotta make up your argument, what's the point?

That's my line. How much are you going to make up to feed your position?

Originally posted by Q99
What a bankrupt argument 🙂

Let's test to see how bankrupt the argument is:

"I'm offended because I was cast as a character named 'Beaver's Breath.' I had no idea what I was getting into." Why didn't they walk off when cast as such, beforehand? And, I'm "in be for Q99 says they didn't know what they were getting into until the day of." That's not how casting works. They were already on set. Production had started. This wasn't pre-production where casting occurs. Roles are already assigned. Now you're going to say that they wanted to wait until a day on production, on set, to argue changing the names, huh? Cool. That's not going to fly. Why wait until production starts to make these arguments? Why doesn't that strike you as odd?

"But...but...they were just cast the day before...or something!" Yeah, okay. haha

Originally posted by Q99
"These people didn't encounter something offensive and get offended as a result, why, they were just looking to be offended!" (Meanwhile, everything they named as a problem really is there and really is a problem)

It feels odd to lump them together as "these people." Regardless, these people certainly were aware of what they were getting into. See my previous arguments to understand why you're now arguing in circles, again.

Originally posted by Q99
Turned out, things were horrible *and* the reassurances that there was a cultural advisor was worth squat.

Still waiting on any sort of substantiation on this reassurance you and others keep touting as legit.

Here's something for you:

"Around a dozen Native American actors and the movie’s cultural advisor reportedly walked off the New Mexico set of a satirical western Sandler is making for Netflix, because of what they're calling a disrespectful."

"According to The Associated Press, the Native-American actors found elements of The Ridiculous Six's script offensive and stereotypical."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/movies/2015/04/23/native-american-actors-walk-off-adam-sandler-set/26258511/

Cultural advisor appears to have walked, as well. Keep in mind, I was accused of not reading the OP. lol

There is a reference, there, to the content of the script. This really does fly in the face of your argument: they did have the script and they didn't like it. But, yet, they still stayed on set long enough to walk off of it.

Originally posted by Q99
And notably, the producers went to cast them in the first place.

Yeah, a movie that satirizes racist Old West films. I mean, that's literally what they said about it: "The movie has ridiculous in the title for a reason: because it is ridiculous. It is a broad satire of Western movies and the stereotypes they popularized, featuring a diverse cast that is not only part of -- but in on -- the joke," said Netflix in a statement."

Of course they want them "in on it." You know...that was the point.

Originally posted by Q99
Actually, extras and minor roles often don't get full scripts.

And yet, they took issue with the script. Check a previous quote. You can't have your cake and eat it, too. Either they took issue with the script, on set, during production, or they didn't.

Originally posted by Q99
And as others mentioned, some of the problems aren't even ones in the script, but rather simple things like costuming.

"I'm offended that the costumes on a satirical comedy - which is satirizing old racist westerns - are not period accurate."

Makes complete sense.

Originally posted by Q99
Too long;didn't read version- Dadudemon doesn't like people being offended for pretty legitimate reasons.

dadudemon thinks the Social Justice Warriorship is getting out of hand and has been for the last decade.

Originally posted by Q99
Why should we care that you're offended by people reacting to legitimate issues?

Heck, to borrow your own words, you're just looking to get offended, and with far less reason.

I'm offended, huh? W-what?

I can't even. haha Please, take me through your logic. Get me from point A to point B. Tell me how I'm offended.

Originally posted by Quincy
Makes sense.

Extras and background actors are not provided scripts. They are cast in groups and pulled from piles of headshots. Knowing something is a comedy beforehand doesn't mean "Oh so this will be offensive and I know what I'm getting into."

Extras and group casting aren't even provided full breakdowns of the plot of the movie. It reads more like this:

"RUSH CASTING CALL:

LOOKING FOR REAL APACHE NATIVE AMERICANS
20'S TO 30'S
FOR A MAJOR MOTION PICTURE COMEDY"

Similar to that ^

So an apache goes and gets approved and shows up and then realizes the content of the movie. They think "Wait...this stuff is wrong guys."

"Excuse me, film advisor? This isn't actually right."

The advisor responds with an answer that essentially means that "doesn't matter."

The Apache indians, realizing this film is racist nonsense, leave. They don't picket the movie. They don't sue. They just don't take part. A journalist hears this and interviews them. They express that sentiment.

But they are sensitive idiot jerks who knew what they were getting into....?

You're making cool, logical, and level headed arguments. However, the only issue I take with your arguments is their access to the scripts, which the article specifically mentions they took issue with. In the USAToday news article that I link, above, one of the actors that walked off was grateful and posting pictures from the set. Then he makes a 180. Something seems fishy about that situation. Sounds like he was convinced to walk off set.

By the way, I have been part of casting calls. If the position is it was a rushed casting call, we just need to substantiate that. But we still have the issue of how/why the casting call was rushed, and why they waited until they were on set before they walked of. Where did their agents (at least one of them was semi-famous) come into play?

Originally posted by Q99
Dadudemon is just trying to be edgy, while ironically resembling an overly sensitive idiot.

Careful, now. Name calling because I don't agree with you is not a way to make your case.

I still think you agree with me but refuse to admit it because you think you'll lose points or something for changing your stance. I don't care about that stuff. Nor will I gloat if you changed your position and admitted this situation is fishy.

Also, it's not edgy to be tired of the "mad political correctness" trend. I'm far and away not at the forefront of a trend that hundreds of millions of people people have been pointing out, for years. People have been tired of the absurdist political correctness for over a decade. That trend (the trend of being tired of "when political correctness goes too far"😉 started in the mid-90s.

Originally posted by Robtard
I've been saying that for years.

Originally posted by Mindset
We should have listened. 👆

Yes, I hate the members of my family. I'm no different than a self-loathing black man.

cry

This argument is funnier than the film will be. Guaranteed.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Yes, I hate the members of my family. I'm no different than a self-loathing black man.

cry

Originally posted by jaden101
This argument is funnier than the film will be. Guaranteed.

You can have problems with a script without seeing a script.

The problem is with the dialogue IN the script. So if someone takes issue with what the actor is saying in the film, that's someone having a problem with the script.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Yes, I hate the members of my family. I'm no different than a self-loathing black man.

cry

Now you're pulling a Johnny Depp, you racist.

"My great, great, great, great grandmother might have gone down on an Indian or something."

Originally posted by Quincy
The problem is with the dialogue IN the script.

One of the problems was with the dialogue, iirc. There were multiple other issues, though.

Originally posted by Quincy
So if someone takes issue with what the actor is saying in the film, that's someone having a problem with the script.

That's an interpretation that is not directly supported. It's a possible conclusion, yes, but the words used were, "According to The Associated Press, the Native-American actors found elements of The Ridiculous Six's script offensive and stereotypical."

That seems to be stating that they had problems with some elements of the script, but not all of it. That's different than, "We were only exposed to a very small bit of the script that only involved our parts."

But we are not addressing my underlying concern: why did they wait until production to bring these up?

Originally posted by Mindset
Shut up, racist. 😬

Originally posted by NemeBro
My grandfather dying last January was funnier than this film will be.

The genocide of the native American people was funnier than this film will be.