Gladiator also doesn't know anything about Batman they are equal in knowledge of each other but I gave Batman a year of prep and Gladiator none Gladiator has the powers and Batman has the prep time about equal imo. Prep Master vs Super being type. Like I said also Batman knows little things about him like flight able to survive in space and super strength and durability.
Lol.
So is he like Animal Man? Who can also survive in Space, has flight, super strength and durability...
Or like Booster Gold?
Or Like Martian Manhunter, so you'd need to add shapeshifting, telepathy, Martian Vision etc?
Or is he like Zatanna, who can also survive in space, has flight etc?
All these have different prep. You cannot prep for something with so many variables lol.
Do you see the problems your thread has now?
Originally posted by golem370
So your telling me Batman has never won a battle with someone he has no prep on? I think you're not giving Batman is respect lol he has prep and the other guy doesn't
Nope.
See how he fared against Oglivy. He had no idea what he could do, and was thrashed and left for dead. Once he knew what Oglivy's powers were, he came back and defeated him.
JLA, when he met Superman for the first time. Superman treated him like a kid.
Man-Bats. Owls. Only when he has some info on their weaknesses, does he prep and succeed.
Pre-DCnU? Look how he did against Prometheus. Lost. Then prepped specifically for him, and beat him later.
Bane? We all know how their first fight went.
White Martians? Once he realised they WERE Martians, he beat them. Before that, no.
Shall I continue? Justice League of Ancients. He was killed by them.
Prep is useless without any information, you DO realise that, right?
But please, give some examples of him prepping with next to no information, and winning.
I think it is equal imo one is a prep genius who has seen his opponent I think Batman would say he is wearing a red suit with a symbole on his chest and a cape and he must be an evil verison of superman and prepare for a fight like that. If I made with your stip it would't be fair since he used their abilities and weakness to every time to win. The way I have made it Batman has the time to come up with plans and stratigies and Gladiator has the powers on his side. I think if I did this your way it would be spite in Batmans favor.
Originally posted by golem370
I think it is equal imo one is a prep genius who has seen his opponent I think Batman would say he is wearing a red suit with a symbole on his chest and a cape and he must be an evil verison of superman
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He hasn't worn it for a while now.
and prepare for a fight like that. If I made with your stip it would't be fair since he used their abilities and weakness to every time to win.
Yeah, Batman isn't beating Gladiator. Why do people keep putting this guy up against people he has no business fighting, even with prep? No, he can't beat Superman, even with prep. Also Nope, he also can't beat people who are functionally just Superman clones with different names either.
The only way Batman can win is if God himself comes down and smites Gladiator for him. Yep, so what does that say about Batman when his only chance is literally divine intervention? Sort of like how in the Superman vs Batman thread the ONLY version who had a snowballs chance in hell was one who had Supermans powers. These things should be signs to people as to the limits of what Batman can do.
Originally posted by golem370
He is prep as far a superman level thats it he has a weakness but not truly sure what it is.
Even if Batman knew Gladiators weakness it wouldn't matter. He knows Superman is weak to kryptonite and it doesn't mean a damn thing.
You could give Batman a play by play of every single second of Gladiators life, he still wouldn't be able to successfully prep for him. Hell, the type of radiation Glads is weakened by was never even specified in any comics, we have no idea what it is or if the type of energy even exists in the DCU. Just knowing a certain type of radiation can hurt him isn't going to allow Batman to magically hone in on the specific type.
Originally posted by golem370
I know Surtur I believe would in any match that doesn't have pis in it.
Doesn't have to be the radiation.
How did Reed defeat him when he came for them? He built a device that made Glads weak, by messing with his self-confidence.
How did Batman get the atomic red suns in his Justice Buster suit? He went to Ray Palmer, and took his ideas/got him to build it for him.
As I said before, you fundamentally misunderstand Batman's prep. When he was creating all those plans for the JLA in Tower of Babel, he was taking ideas and adapting supervillain tech - Scarecrow's fear toxins, for example. He didn't suddenly create a brand new compound.
His prep is relying on finding out your weaknesses, and if he cannot do it himself, adapting/stealing others' ideas. Unlike Tony Stark, for example, who relies on building a bigger and stronger 'buster' suit.
Originally posted by Surtur
Yeah, but Reed Richards is much smarter then Batman is. Also if the only way to win is for Batman to seek outside help..well, that tells us all we need to know about his own prep skills.
That's the thing.
It tells us about Batman's own tech smarts. Which have never been all that - he would get thrashed in a suit contest with Tony, for example.
He is essentially a supervillain with access with superhero resources. THAT'S his strength. THAT'S how he preps. Look at the Hellbat armour, for example - sure, he designed it - but it needed the League's help. He takes the ideas of Mr Freeze. Scarecrow. Probably Joker's poisons. Adapts the powers of the League in the Insider suit (which, even then, was hardly anything to write home about).
It says nothing about his prep smarts. He doesn't meet force with force - he leaves that to the other, more brightly coloured heroes. He skulks in the dark, avoiding direct confrontation if he can, using fear tactics, then, when your guard is down, striking you at your weakness.
Look at his Doomsday Protocol. Look at his OMACs. They work off weakness exploitation, and BFR. Not like Tony, who would design 'Gladiatorbusters'.