TCW Obi Wan Kenobi vs. ROTJ Luke Skywalker

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Beniboybling Worst Member

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
LOL

He's a high ranking story teller in both the Old and New Canon.

You're right. He's not ON the story group. The story group actually ASKS him when it comes to the Force and Force powers. Because he learned it all directly from Lucas. He literally spent years and years with him.

That's just fact. You guys need to stop crying about it.

Oh and may I remind you all Lucas was the first to say that ROTJ Luke was only Half Trained and NOT a match for ROTJ Vader.

To be quite honest he could be Kathleen Kennedy for all I care. What he is offering is an opinion, a well-informed opinion perhaps but an opinion nonetheless. Maybe when the next Vader novel is written, or when the next Luke novel is written, the writer will come to Dave and ask for this professional and well-informed opinion of his.

But until they do and until it's implemented in Canon. It's not Canon.

The only things that are canon are the movies, TCW, Rebels and all new published Star Wars material. Not even statements from George Lucas are Canon anymore.

Given that, the only material we should treat as fact when discussing/debating Canon is strictly that. Not an opinion from Dave that may or may not be reflected in new material.

DARTH POWER Senior Member

^ That's fine, but just plain out ignoring both Lucas and Filoni, simply because you don't like what they're saying, or because you'd rather stick to canon writers with much lower authority, is just kidding yourself.

The new canon may take a different approach, and I hope it does. If a new Canon novel states ROTJ Luke =/> ROTJ Vader I will be the first one jumping up and down about it. But until it does Lucas's and Filoni's comments are the highest authorities in canon (new and old) to discuss Luke's prowess as of ROTJ.

Lord Stark Lord of Winterfell

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
^ That's fine, but just plain out ignoring both Lucas and Filoni, simply because you don't like what they're saying, or because you'd rather stick to canon writers with much lower authority, is just kidding yourself.

The new canon may take a different approach, and I hope it does. If a new Canon novel states ROTJ Luke =/> ROTJ Vader I will be the first one jumping up and down about it. But until it does Lucas's and Filoni's comments are the highest authorities in canon (new and old) to discuss Luke's prowess as of ROTJ.

^Yup. People can say 'oh its just an opinion' but its an opinion that's more well informed than all of us on these boards combined.

Beniboybling Worst Member

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
^ That's fine, but just plain out ignoring both Lucas and Filoni, simply because you don't like what they're saying, or because you'd rather stick to canon writers with much lower authority, is just kidding yourself.

The new canon may take a different approach, and I hope it does. If a new Canon novel states ROTJ Luke =/> ROTJ Vader I will be the first one jumping up and down about it. But until it does Lucas's and Filoni's comments are the highest authorities in canon (new and old) to discuss Luke's prowess as of ROTJ.

I certainly understand that, but at this point I'm not going to speculate, its certainly an indication of where Canon Luke's abilities might go, but it raises a lot of questions, so I'll wait until Aftermath tbh. Luke as per Legends material takes this though.

EDIT: I'd also say that we shouldn't assume everyone will listen to Dave in this respect, when really nobody listened to George...

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Kotor3 Senior Member

Yoda actually stated that Luke needed no more training and that he must face and defeat his father. Vader stated that Luke skills are complete.

Yoda, clearly (as Obi wan did) could have continued to communicate and train Luke as a force ghost if he wanted.

For Lucas's and Filoni's to make such comments is beyond stupid since the script directly contradicts those lines of thoughts. Lucas clearly wanted everyone to feel that Luke had become a Jedi capable of facing Vader.

Beniboybling Worst Member

LOL, you broke the page.