TOR vs PT

I think he could. His raw Force power and TK is superior to anything either of them have shown, with the exception of saber skills in which Fisto probably is his equal at that point.

Originally posted by Trocity
He would certainly have to be more powerful/skilled than Hope Malgus, who couldn't beat Koon or Fisto 1v1 tbh.

Malgus (Hope) overwhelmed two powerful Jedi, both of these Jedi are much stronger then Plo Koon and Kit Fisto.

The Hero could definitely solo Fisto and Koon, lol.

Emperor Vitiate's Force Lightning Storm:

Look at the intensity, Vitiate is like a vortex of Force energy. At this point, Vitiate overwhelms all Jedi and destroys their lightsabers, essentially disarming them and knocking them out.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Malgus (Hope) overwhelmed two powerful Jedi, both of these Jedi are much stronger then Plo Koon and Kit Fisto.

Hope Satele isn't beating a prime Plo or a prime Kit. If you're talking about the two random Jedi that ambushed him and dropped the wall on him, yeah those two are better than Plo and Kit.

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Not even going to play your game, every Joe Smith from the TOR era shit on the Jedi of other eras to you.

Peak HoT can defeat them.

Originally posted by Trocity
Hope Satele isn't beating a prime Plo or a prime Kit.

Originally posted by Trocity
If you're talking about the two random Jedi that ambushed him and dropped the wall on him, yeah those two are better than Plo and Kit.

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Correction: Two buildings.

Originally posted by Trocity
Not even going to play your game, every joe smith from TOR era shit on the Jedi of other eras to you.

So you think a character with better feats than another character will beat them?

Originally posted by The_Tempest
So you think a character with better feats than another character will beat them?

If I just say "powerful," people yawn.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
So you think a character with better feats than another character will beat them?

Heh.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Not necessarily, but feats represent a good method to portray a character's power and competency.

If I just say "powerful," people yawn.

But that's what you cited for proof with Satele. So again, should we pick winners based on feats?

Originally posted by The_Tempest
But that's what you cited for proof with Satele. So again, should we pick winners based on feats?

Satele Shan is officially projected as a "powerhouse" with the capability to destroy large and heavy objects/structures, kill multiple Force-users simultaneously, and even block a Lightsaber with bare hands. She is also stated to be a gifted warrior, able to go toe-to-toe with Darth Malgus and even evade his attacks. She is well-rounded. And she is the youngest Jedi to earn the position of Grand Master of the Order.

Plo Koon and Kit Fisto do not compare to Satele in their portrayals, not even close.

That's not what he said. He merely made an argument, that does not mean he's precluding other points.

Look at the intensity, Vitiate is like a vortex of Force energy. At this point, Vitiate overwhelms all Jedi and destroys their lightsabers, essentially disarming them and knocking them out.

I disagree; the assault is a mirror to Palpatine's in RotS in more ways than just the circumstances.

The first two Jedi were down before they could even raise their blades, and in the case of Braga and the HoT, their lightsabers weren't destroyed they just weren't capable of defending them against the blast.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
So you think a character with better feats than another character will beat them?

I think both accolades and feats should be considered, and in this case HoT has better of both than either of them.

Originally posted by Nephthys
That's not what he said. He merely made an argument, that does not mean he's precluding other points.

That wasn't an argument. It was statement as to why Satele obviously wins. And all that he mentioned was feats.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
This is generally the case unless their are other valid reasons to consider.

Satele Shan is officially projected as a "powerhouse" with the capability to destroy large and heavy objects/structures, kill multiple Force-users simultaneously, and even block a Lightsaber with bare hands. She is also stated to be a gifted warrior, able to go toe-to-toe with Darth Malgus and even evade his attacks. She is well-rounded. And she is the youngest Jedi to earn the position of Grand Master of the Order.

Plo Koon and Kit Fisto do not compare to Satele in their portrayals, not even close.

So that's a yes?

Like what additional factors?

Wait.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Wait.

Those are all feats, though. All I'm asking is for you to clarify your methodology. Do you pick winners based on feats?

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Those are all feats, though. All I'm asking is for you to clarify your methodology. Do you pick winners based on feats?

Additional factors can be combination of official standing, hype, and competitiveness of a character. For elaboration, consider the example of Darth Vangean.

Not much can be offered in support of Darth Vengean (versus Satele Shan) on the basis of on-screen portrayals due to lack of content, but it is known that Darth Vengean became a member of the Dark Council, had superior understanding of the Dark Side then most Sith in his era (including command of Force Drain powers), and proved to be a force to be reckoned with - in a confrontation - for the Emperor's Wrath (a prodigy of the Dark Side; possibly unparalleled in lightsaber combat in the Empire; history of impressive victories in combat; and better then millions of the Empire's Sith), and the fact that Emperor's Wrath had an ally to assist him to overcome Darth Vangean. Therefore, it is 'possible' that Darth Vangean is stronger then Satele Shan but this isn't officially established. And cases such as Darth Vangean are rare developments in the mythos as well.

However, Plo Koon and Kit Fisto have nothing under their belt that may imply that they can compete with the likes of Satele Shan. Not even close.