Batman vs Cyclops, Punisher, & Hawkeye(Barton)

They were doing all they could to fail, that's how.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
They were doing all they could to fail, that's how.

Originally posted by sadwqecqw
😂 dafuq did I just read? Doing all they could to fail? They were ordered to apprehend them after Grodd and Nightshade got creamed.

They did NOT listen to orders. Simple.

Read the comic, for fuck's sake. Before Pr skins you alive.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
They did [b]NOT listen to orders. Simple. [/B]

Originally posted by sadwqecqw
which has what to do with their reaction speed exactly? Oh yeah, nothing. that's what we call reaching.

Oh, yeah. Everything. They wanted to get their ass handed to them.

Again, read the comic. Then comment.

i mean i'm just drawing a blank here, did katana and lightning say

"ok were not going to listen to orders but why don't we let batman kick our asses anyway, it's like we can you know...dodge"

actually that story was written by loeb so that wouldn't surprise me

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Oh, yeah. Everything. They wanted to get their ass handed to them.

Again, read the comic. Then comment.

dat reaching

Originally posted by wuleecat
That is mental. Just mental.

In this fight Batman also doesn't have his belt either.

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
Clint doesn't have Bruce's stats or his belt but he has shown top tier skills with arguably every weapon from throwing stars to sword & board. His time as Ronin is overlooked and Bendis's Clint has been insane.

Batman is in the league of truly elite street heroes like Captain America, Daredevil, Elektra, Iron Fist etc.

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
Clint doesn't have Bruce's stats or his belt but he has shown top tier skills with arguably every weapon from throwing stars to sword & board. His time as Ronin is overlooked and Bendis's Clint has been insane.

I don't think his time as Ronin is as much overlooked as it is just not considered to have him be on the same level as someone like Bruce. He's a great fighter, but I wouldn't call him top tier, personally.

Batman >>Punisher>>Hawkeye>Cyclops

Originally posted by -Pr-
I don't think his time as Ronin is as much overlooked as it is just not considered to have him be on the same level as someone like Bruce. He's a great fighter, but I wouldn't call him top tier, personally.

We can agree to disagree.

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
He did a number on Bulseye & Daken at the same time. That's pretty dang good for any peak human, and I'd argue he's not really peak human. So it would indicate very high skill, no?

We can agree to disagree.

I'm not saying he doesn't have nice feats. He does. I just don't think they're at a consistently high enough level to warrant putting him in the same bracket as the top guys.

Just imo.

I think that's their intention though.

It's not like he was a slouch in the old Avengers days either.

He ain't Cap, but I wouldn't put him below Punisher.

It very well could be their intention. Writer intent still has to be backed up by consistent feats, though. At least on here anyway.

Originally posted by -Pr-
It very well could be their intention. Writer intent still has to be backed up by consistent feats, though. At least on here anyway.

Yeah, but it's been consistent for over 7 years though.

Secret Invasion was a long time ago now 😛

Originally posted by krisblaze
Yeah, but it's been consistent for over 7 years though.

Secret Invasion was a long time ago now 😛

I've read Hawkeye sporadically over the last few years. Has he really had that many top tier feats in that time?

Originally posted by -Pr-
I've read Hawkeye sporadically over the last few years. Has he really had that many top tier feats in that time?

I might have to revisit some comics.