Originally posted by Estacado
The way Cap tossed that motorcycle in Aou is crazy.
He grabs Batman by the leg and beats the other 2 to death with Bruce.
Remember Cap and the motorcycle were both moving. So momentum is probably playing its part.
So its not like he straight dead lifted the bike and threw it.
Originally posted by Riot-Gear
Remember Cap and the motorcycle were both moving. So momentum is probably playing its part.So its not like he straight dead lifted the bike and threw it.
In Cap 1 he lifted a motorcycle over his head with 3 women sitting on top of the motorcycle.
I dont see the problem with the AOU motorcycle feat, especially from what we have seen from cap before.
Originally posted by Inhuman
In Cap 1 he lifted a motorcycle over his head with 3 women sitting on top of the motorcycle.
I dont see the problem with the AOU motorcycle feat, especially from what we have seen from cap before.
There is nothing wrong with it, but there is also no reason to pretend like its something that its not. Motion and momentum were involved.
That's not to say it not impressive. It is. Just, lets not blow it out of proportion.
As for the Cap 1. Feat all we see him do is hold the bike, it's also a stage show so the bike well could have been gutted of the heavy bits or been a prop.
Originally posted by Silent Master
At this point you're just making things up in order to downplay Cap's feats.
I can see were it might come across that way, but not really. In any sense that matters.
All we see Cap do in CA:1 is hold up the motorcycle ( w/ women sitting on it ) above his head. Assuming the bike is fully fueled and operational, which lets be honest would be rather asinine way keep what amounts to a stage prop, but lets go with it, in that condition it'd probably weigh in the area of 600-650 pounds and lets say each of the 3 women weighs in the area of 150 pounds. So he's holds about 1,000 to 1,050 pounds over his head for a fair amount of time.
Which is as I said impressive, but again we don't see the lift and why would they use a normal bike in this role.
Even setting that aside lets assume a normal bike and that he got it into position by straight lifting it.
It still in no way implies that he can chuck a motorcycle like a football with enough force to explode like some kind of mini-nuke.
Lets be clear Cap has all sort of rather impressive feats. Still like any other characters feats they need to be taken in context, with critical thought applied.
Originally posted by Riot-GearLets be clear Cap has all sort of rather impressive feats. Still like any other characters feats they need to be taken in context, with critical thought applied.
Its a real motorcycle. We were meant to be shown this, as the soldiers were, as a demonstration of strength. Take it as face value, anything else is just devils advocate.
And sure you can apply critical thought to comic movies, but feat by feat, year by year, we have seen him training harder and his feats getting better. That's called progression, it has happened as shown. Whether YOU personally want to take his feats at face value or not is entirely 'Nophucks' because they happened.
His feats happened, in the context clearly presented by the writers and directors.
Originally posted by Silent Master
By critical thought, he means downplay feats so that Cap doesn't look as impressive. Because even if the momentum of the motorcycle helped in the throw, it wasn't going anywhere near fast enough to cause even 1/5th of the damage shown. so the feat is almost all Cap's strength.
Theres a scene in Ultimate Avengers I think it is, where cap is fighting war machine, cut to a nursery where war machine has to fight hand to hand to avoid collateral, next panel is cap on the run again wearing war machines hand cannon on his arm. Its so badass, I hope we see something like that in civil war, Cap dismantling Ironman or war machine (if he sides with Tony).
I can see no one here actually has a motorcycle, nor has ever ridden one..usually us bikers avoid cars..
Let me enlighten all the idiots.
Cars and Jeeps crush motorcycles, not the other way around.
The momentum argument is bogus because if a bike hit a jeep head on the the jeep has more momentum and is larger, denser and weighs more..
Cap's feat proves he turned the tides and dynamics of the force which was now greater then the jeep's.
Daredevil lasts the longest. He's taken unreal amounts of damage, and that scene where he flipped through the bullets stuck with me. Its possible, and even likely that that was aim dodging, but it was impressive nonetheless.
That said, Cap still wins. Murdock is gonna need one hell of an upgrade next season to stand with Cap.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
I can see no one here actually has a motorcycle, nor has ever ridden one..usually us bikers avoid cars..Let me enlighten all the idiots.
Cars and Jeeps crush motorcycles, not the other way around.
The momentum argument is bogus because if a bike hit a jeep head on the the jeep has more momentum and is larger, denser and weighs more..
Cap's feat proves he turned the tides and dynamics of the force which was now greater then the jeep's.
Agreed, I myself have been riding motorcycles since I was 8 years old and have been in a few accidents, so I can personally confirm that the damage done in AOU was far beyond what a motorcycle could generate given the speed it was traveling before Cap hit the brakes.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Agreed, I myself have been riding motorcycles since I was 8 years old and have been in a few accidents, so I can personally confirm that the damage done in AOU was far beyond what a motorcycle could generate given the speed it was traveling before Cap hit the brakes.
Same here, this guy Riot clearly has no clue about the subject.
^ Exactly what TI and SM said. Momentum plays a bit of a role in that toss, but not nearly as much as some people downplaying the feat are trying to make it out as. A bike going at that speed (even before he hits the breaks and flips over the handle bars) would have been wrecked if it rammed into a military jeep, with the jeep probably sustaining a dent in the front. That bike crushed an engine block and hit the jeep with enough force to flip the back into the air. Honestly, the momentum would have helped him more with the physical throw itself than anything else. Instead of just using mostly arms, he was able to get his whole body into the toss, but most of the strength behind the throw was superhuman effort, not momentum.
Originally posted by Juk3n
Its a real motorcycle. We were meant to be shown this, as the soldiers were, as a demonstration of strength. Take it as face value, anything else is just devils advocate.
As I've mentioned if we take it at face value, he is likely holding no more then 1,500 pounds and that is all we can garner from the the scene.
As per your own logic assuming anything else about the situation/context etc. Is playing devils advocate.
Understand that means we shouldn't even assume he lifted the bike.