Originally posted by carthage
Vitiate's TP works rapidly, and considering how Mace is easily the weakest force user here by miles he'd get tped immediately (unlike Revan).He's out of his depth
Well, you could arrange it Luke vs. Either Sidious or Vitiate (Luke wins regardless), Yoda and Revan vs. the other one (Revan can provide competent support to Yoda, if Mace is a bad ally), and then let Mace fight Caedus...which is probably where Mace lasts the longest.
The only argument for having Mace assist against Sidious is the idea it'll trigger the famous Vapaad amp.
I'd say they'd keep Vitiate behind and Caedus in front of him. Sidious could hold Luke off. Vitiate can TP Mace and then unleash areal force attacks while Caedus guards him.
I can see Revan falling shorty and Caedus distracting/delaying Yoda long enough for Vitiate to kill him as well(perhaps Caedus would fall too).
Sidious would be still alive holding off Luke and Luke doesn't stand a chance against 2 Emperors.
Another scenario could be Sidious unleashing a force storm and by doing so, giving the other sith a chance to kill the jedi while they try to deal with the storm.
I'm siding with the Sith.
I kinda think Yoda, Revan, and Mace want to blitz Vitiate as best they can. Caedus can only be in one place at a time, and stopping an Ataru master like the green bouncing Yoda from getting to his target is a *****. So Yoda and somebody, probably the teleporting Revan... will get around Caedus. Caedus will kill whoever he's facing, eventually, but Vitiate's gonna die himself.
Also, Vitiate has no way of knowing who the weakest opponent facing him is.
He can try. Caedus isn't really suited to playing offensive lineman for the quarterback that is Vitiate.
Luke can engage pretty much whoever he wants. He's the strongest player on the field, and in a morals off contest...
For the Record, the order of power probably goes Luke>Sidious>Vitiate>Yoda>Caedus>Revan>Mace
The best use of Mace is sending him against somebody he can crank up the Vapaad amp against.
However, Yoda+Revan and or Yoda+Mace is good enough to take Vitiate out.
Originally posted by StigmaIt would make more sense for the stronger Jedi (Luke) to go for the stronger opponent whom he has fought and beaten before, whereas Yoda has been defeated by.
TBH Luke alone can take down Vitiate.Yoda won't defeat DE Sidious alone so I'd throw in Mace with his Vaapad to help him.
Revan will face Caedus and lose, but it will be a good fight.
All in all team Jedi will win if they play it smart. But I agree, Mace and Revan won't make it.
So Yoda will probably go for Vitiate.
However, I'm still inclined to agree with you. Prime Luke has a strong chance of defeating Palpatine, and Yoda will very likely overcome Vitiate.
And as I say, Windu and Revan could well defeat Caedus. Windu may perish.
Originally posted by SiniousMmmmm, it could go either way I suppose.
I'd say they'd keep Vitiate behind and Caedus in front of him. Sidious could hold Luke off. Vitiate can TP Mace and then unleash areal force attacks while Caedus guards him.I can see Revan falling shorty and Caedus distracting/delaying Yoda long enough for Vitiate to kill him as well(perhaps Caedus would fall too).
Sidious would be still alive holding off Luke and Luke doesn't stand a chance against 2 Emperors.
Another scenario could be Sidious unleashing a force storm and by doing so, giving the other sith a chance to kill the jedi while they try to deal with the storm.
I'm siding with the Sith.
More to the point, most of the Sith Win scenarios seem to depend on them using awesome teamwork while the Jedi act like idiots.
Even though, ya know, Jedi tend to be better team players on general principle. The Chronic Backstabbing Disorder of the Sith doesn't really help them, so the Jedi are going to be a better 'there's no I in team' team.
Originally posted by Board Walker
Luke kills sidious
yoda and mace double team caedus
SOR Revan kills Vit, Redeemed Revan stalls vit until rest of team kills him.
Every single source out there directly confirms Vitiate's superiority over Revan. If you wanna wank him, I'd suggest you post stuff like Revan kills Caedus instead of a guy who already stomped him lol.
Originally posted by Angelalex242
He can try. Caedus isn't really suited to playing offensive lineman for the quarterback that is Vitiate.
Caedus has insane durability+excellent saber skills and strength. He is perfect for guarding a sorcerer.
Luke can engage pretty much whoever he wants. He's the strongest player on the field, and in a morals off contest...For the Record, the order of power probably goes Luke>Sidious>Vitiate>Yoda>Caedus>Revan>Mace
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The best use of Mace is sending him against somebody he can crank up the Vapaad amp against.
We won't see anything like the amp he got against Sidious in a morals off fight. So it doesn't really matter who he faces and it is quite possible for Vitiate to just TP him.
However, Yoda+Revan and or Yoda+Mace is good enough to take Vitiate out.
It'll never come to that for reasons stated above.
Durability+skill and strength is great...but Yoda's an Ataru master, and slightly more powerful then Caedus. VERY Slightly, but slightly nonetheless. Mobility is what Ataru does for a living, and Caedus doesn't use Ataru. You can't expect Caedus to outspeed an Ataru master doing what Ataru does best.
The number one danger to Vitiate is that he's going to end up hugging Yoda's lightsaber as he bounces around like the green bouncy ball he is.
You're exaggerating the importance of lightsaber forms. I'm not even sure what your point is. Are you suggesting that Caedus isn't fast enough to react to Yoda or that he wouldn't hold his own at least for a while? Cause he obviously can and Yoda's form being Ataru doesn't change the outcome of the fight.
And the other sith(whoever isn't fighting Luke) will just let that happen?
I'm suggesting Yoda's form allows him to bounce around enough to attack Vitiate physically. That's Vitiate's weakest suit, and any plan to take him out has to rely on making Vitiate hug a lightsaber.
Caedus also has to deal with the other two Jedi trying to get around him to help Vitiate hug a lightsaber.
And they know how to divide labor...why? Caedus hasn't met any of the 3 of his opponents before. Vitiate hasn't met any of them but Revan. So Vitiate sees a guy he knows and two guys he doesn't. Caedus sees two guys he's read about, one of which taught uncle Luke, and a guy he's never heard of before.
Originally posted by Angelalex242
I'm suggesting Yoda's form allows him to bounce around enough to attack Vitiate physically. That's Vitiate's weakest suit, and any plan to take him out has to rely on making Vitiate hug a lightsaber.Caedus also has to deal with the other two Jedi trying to get around him to help Vitiate hug a lightsaber.
How many times have Vitiate hugged a Lightsaber? He erred only once.
Vitiate's combat strategy is to bombard individuals to submission or eliminate them from safe distance. He is also officially a brilliant tactician.