Tbh now that I think on it, the Sith Assassins were't great. I mean they were essentially one trick guys, who only were able to get a leg up on Force Users because of how powerful they were.
But take that away? They didn't seem really impressive, they relied on their ability to become strong via Force Users too much, which to me that would delude their actual combat ability because while they would become strong to match their target, this would be the only reason they would have a chance at killing them.
Originally posted by Zenwolf
Tbh now that I think on it, the Sith Assassins were't great. I mean they were essentially one trick guys, who only were able to get a leg up on Force Users because of how powerful they were.But take that away? They didn't seem really impressive, they relied on their ability to become strong via Force Users too much, which to me that would delude their actual combat ability because while they would become strong to match their target, this would be the only reason they would have a chance at killing them.
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That is very, very wrong.
Originally posted by Zenwolf
Oh? How so? Explain, because that's what it seems to me. They hunted Force Users, they got stronger from Force Users, killed them.No Force Users, they didn't seem all that great.
Because they were all masterful fighters with a blade, not relying on their drain. But if you insist...
First, the fighters of the Era:
"The many wars of the era compel large numbers of Jedi to become experts in lightsaber and force related combat. Some become masters on the battlefield; others become highly skilled duelists capable of taking on Dark Jedi and Sith in single combat. "
So, no, not everyone from the era are mooks. And those Jedi became Sith:
"The Sith students of Darth Revan and Darth Malak are many of the same Jedi Crusaders that once fought for the republic. [...] Already proficient in the Jedi arts, these marauders acquire new nefarious talents [...]During the Dark Wars, Surviving Sith students submit to the triumvirate."
Now the best of those sith became Sith assassins.
"Only by fighting your way through the Sith's strongest guardians can you earn the right to confront your nemesis."
"These surreptitious butchers specialize in practical modes of Jedi execution. The most elite of these assassins are the Bladeborn - Sith blademasters"
"A Sith offshoot dedicated to sword mastery, this [Sith Tremor Sword] was given to masterblades for surviving no less than ten encounters with Lightsaber wielding opponents"
Ok so I apologize for having to spam quotes, but yeh, the idea that they're one trick ponies is just wrong. They dedicated themselves to mastering the Jedi fighting styles, and mastering their counters. They didn't just drain Jedi and hope to god that they made it out alive.
Also wanna point this out.
"They've learned...they've come up through the same way. Taught by Qui-Gon, Tyranus, Yoda. Its the same line."
Seems like Obi-Wan and Anakin's skills according to Gillard are attributed to Yoda and his training techniques.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Nah he directly taught Dooku. As well as Kenobi."Fought well you have, my old Padawan."
"The Jedi Master who instructed me" -Kenobi
Its not a coincidence that the 'Golden age of the Jedi's' grandmaster is also arguably the most skilled swordsman in the Old Republic's 20,000 year history.
But he taught them as Younglings, not as Padawan.
His lightsaber skills did seep into the order to be sure, I'm just unsure of his hit-to-miss ratio, and how many actual apprenticings he did.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Yoda's obviously produced the most top-tier duelist as well, being old as hell, I guess.
Sure, though I don't necessarily know if his odds with any one person is better than any other skilled teacher.
He's got quantity of students, of which some are good, but plenty are less so.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Yoda or Luke. Yoda produced more but he didn't train each of them as apprentices. Luke I think did however. Didn't he train Kyle, caedus, Jaina, his other kids.
Jaina was taught by Mara and Kyp.
Luke taught Jacen, Anakin, and Ben. Also Corran, Kyp, Kam Solusar, Brakiss, Desann, and others. A bunch fell to the dark side, but skill wise that's quite a roster ^^
He helped some with Kyle, but Kyle, outside his initial training with the Jedi in DF2, did most of his training was Mara in a co-master setup (they were the two most-trained people outside of Luke, so rather than take up Luke's time from other students, they helped complete each other's training).
Originally posted by Q99
But he taught them as Younglings, not as Padawan.His lightsaber skills did seep into the order to be sure, I'm just unsure of his hit-to-miss ratio, and how many actual apprenticings he did.
Sure, though I don't necessarily know if his odds with any one person is better than any other skilled teacher.
He's got quantity of students, of which some are good, but plenty are less so.
Lol at the Yoda downplaying.
"They've learned...they've come up through the same way. Taught by Qui-Gon, Tyranus, Yoda. Its the same line."
Gillard is a higher authority than whatever story of Dooku's other master. Yoda's direct apprentice line is all master swordsmen. Pretty clear Gillard considers Yoda's training to be behind all of these.