is vision capable of using the mind stone, i had this discussion with a friend of mine and he said "no, only thanos could because he had the gauntlet to use the abilities of the stones. all the stones have powers and when together can unlock little quirks but on there own and without the gauntlet the abilities can't be used by vision"
Originally posted by Genesis-Soldier
is vision capable of using the mind stone, i had this discussion with a friend of mine and he said "no, only thanos could because he had the gauntlet to use the abilities of the stones. all the stones have powers and when together can unlock little quirks but on there own and without the gauntlet the abilities can't be used by vision"
Did your friend see the movies? Pretty much all the stones that have been revealed so far have been used in some way or another, and none of these showings are by Thanos with the IG, so no idea where your friend is getting that from.
Originally posted by TheVaultDwellerI think he means for their actual purpose.
Did your friend see the movies? Pretty much all the stones that have been revealed so far have been used in some way or another, and none of these showings are by Thanos with the IG, so no idea where your friend is getting that from.
The mind stone was only used for blasting stuff when vision had it.
Loki was able to use it for actual mind manipulation when it was being conducted through the scepter, but I don't remember Vision doing similar. I think that means it needs something to focus it.
Originally posted by Arachnid1
I think he means for their actual purpose.The mind stone was only used for blasting stuff when vision had it.
Loki was able to use it for actual mind manipulation when it was being conducted through the scepter, but I don't remember Vision doing similar. I think that means it needs something to focus it.
Except multiple stones are used for their each specific purpose, without the need of Thanos or the IG, which was what I was pointing out. Whether they need some kind of focus or not, they don't need Thanos or the IG.
Mind Stone - Loki mind raped people with it while it was in the scepter.
Reality Stone - Malekith was going to use it to alter the entire universe.
Space Stone - Opened inter-dimensional portals, both at the beginning and end of the first Avengers film.
Power Stone - Amped Ronan up significantly and was also used by a Celestial to wipe out a planet.
So they clearly can be used, providing the individual knows how. But we have yet to see if Vision can figure out how to do anything other than energy blasts with it.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Except multiple stones are used for their own specific purpose, without the need of Thanos or the IG, which was what I was pointing out. Whether they need some kind of focus or not, they don't need Thanos or the IG.Mind Stone - Loki mind raped people with it while it was in the scepter.
Reality Stone - Malekith was going to use it to alter the entire universe.
Space Stone - Opened inter-dimensional portals, both at the beginning and end of the first Avengers film.
Power Stone - Amped Ronan up significantly and was also used by a Celestial to wipe out a planet.
So they clearly can be used, providing the individual knows how. But we have yet to see if Vision can figure out how to do anything other than energy blasts with it.
Originally posted by TheVaultDwellerYes, but most of those had something to focus its raw power like the gauntlet. The Mind Stone had the scepter, the Space stone was inside the cube which further needed that machine, the power stone had Ronans hammer, and the reality stone was an anomaly since it wasn't all focused into its solidified form (plus, he did end up failing).
Except multiple stones are used for their each specific purpose, without the need of Thanos or the IG, which was what I was pointing out. Whether they need some kind of focus or not, they don't need Thanos or the IG.Mind Stone - Loki mind raped people with it while it was in the scepter.
Reality Stone - Malekith was going to use it to alter the entire universe.
Space Stone - Opened inter-dimensional portals, both at the beginning and end of the first Avengers film.
Power Stone - Amped Ronan up significantly and was also used by a Celestial to wipe out a planet.
So they clearly can be used, providing the individual knows how. But we have yet to see if Vision can figure out how to do anything other than energy blasts with it.
I'm not saying only Thanos can use one, but it stands to reason that you need some kind of tech or weapon made for focusing it. Its possible the gauntlet is the only object in the universe that can channel the power of all six. Its even possible that Thanos is the only one who can use the gauntlet, since it is his. It was part of his outfit since the beginning, at least in the comic.
Until we actually see Vision use it for what it's meant for, we can't assume he can.
That whole line of reasoning ignores how the Guardian's used the Power Stone with their bodies as conduits to destroy Ronan.
And the Aether does have a solid gem form as shown in AoU.
If it was as simple as tapping someone on the chest with the scepter to control them, then Vision should be able to do at least that much. And the reason we never saw him use the Mind Gem aside from energy blasts was that...who would he use it on? Robots?
Originally posted by KingD19There is more to the power gem than just blasting out some energy. Thats literally the exact same thing vision used the mind gem for in AoU. Its more commonly used as an infinite power source to amp the other stones and to infinitely amp physical stats of the wielder.
That whole line of reasoning ignores how the Guardian's used the Power Stone with their bodies as conduits to destroy Ronan.And the Aether does have a solid gem form as shown in AoU.
If it was as simple as tapping someone on the chest with the scepter to control them, then Vision should be able to do at least that much. And the reason we never saw him use the Mind Gem aside from energy blasts was that...who would he use it on? Robots?
Yes, we see it has a gem form in Thors vision. No one has actually used the gem form yet though, and even the liquid form hasn't been used to alter reality yet. We haven't seen it used for its actual purpose.
And I get that line of reasoning, but we still cant just assume he can.
Chiming in on a few things...
Originally posted by TheGrat1
Vision isn't pure vibranium though, if he was he wouldn't be able to move. They were bonding the vibranum to some other tissue-like substance.
Vibranium bonded to each cell that Visions body is composed of.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Except multiple stones are used for their each specific purpose, without the need of Thanos or the IG, which was what I was pointing out. Whether they need some kind of focus or not, they don't need Thanos or the IG.Mind Stone - Loki mind raped people with it while it was in the scepter.
Reality Stone - Malekith was going to use it to alter the entire universe.
Space Stone - Opened inter-dimensional portals, both at the beginning and end of the first Avengers film.
Power Stone - Amped Ronan up significantly and was also used by a Celestial to wipe out a planet.
So they clearly can be used, providing the individual knows how. But we have yet to see if Vision can figure out how to do anything other than energy blasts with it.
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Originally posted by Arachnid1
Yes, but most of those had something to focus its raw power like the gauntlet. The Mind Stone had the scepter, the Space stone was inside the cube which further needed that machine, the power stone had Ronans hammer, and the reality stone was an anomaly since it wasn't all focused into its solidified form (plus, he did end up failing).I'm not saying only Thanos can use one, but it stands to reason that you need some kind of tech or weapon made for focusing it. Its possible the gauntlet is the only object in the universe that can channel the power of all six. Its even possible that Thanos is the only one who can use the gauntlet, since it is his. It was part of his outfit since the beginning, at least in the comic.
Until we actually see Vision use it for what it's meant for, we can't assume he can.
Originally posted by KingD19
That whole line of reasoning ignores how the Guardian's used the Power Stone with their bodies as conduits to destroy Ronan.And the Aether does have a solid gem form as shown in AoU.
If it was as simple as tapping someone on the chest with the scepter to control them, then Vision should be able to do at least that much. And the reason we never saw him use the Mind Gem aside from energy blasts was that...who would he use it on? Robots?
The the "casings" each gem has been shown to be inside of are necessary for a few reasons.
1. To conceal that they are infinity gems. They are considered the most power objects in the universe. We've seen various people trying to keep the gems far apart from one another. Not even Thor , who is a cosmic being, recognized that the Staff or the tesseract was an infinity gem at first. So the "casings" have been somewhat effective at hiding the gems.
2. Not anyone can handle touching or coming in contact with an infinity gem/stone. We seen people try to hold the gems and either explode or kill them, etc. They have specified that in order to hold or be able to handle the gems you have to be a being of great power.
As far as the "casings" being there as a tool to be able to channel the gems powers... well i guess that's a good theory. Never thought about it that way.
I dont think there has been any indication or hints of this in the films though.
No one has really used the gems to their full potential or may even know how to, so far. *Besides maybe the Celestial in GOTG* , but the celestial should be able to destroy a planet with its own power. No gem needed. 😬
Originally posted by Inhuman
Chiming in on a few things...Vibranium bonded to each cell that Visions body is composed of.
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The the "casings" each gem has been shown to be inside of are necessary for a few reasons.
1. To conceal that they are infinity gems. They are considered the most power objects in the universe. We've seen various people trying to keep the gems far apart from one another. Not even Thor , who is a cosmic being, recognized that the Staff or the tesseract was an infinity gem at first. So the "casings" have been somewhat effective at hiding the gems.
2. Not anyone can handle touching or coming in contact with an infinity gem/stone. We seen people try to hold the gems and either explode or kill them, etc. They have specified that in order to hold or be able to handle the gems you have to be a being of great power.
As far as the "casings" being there as a tool to be able to channel the gems powers... well i guess that's a good theory. Never thought about it that way.
I dont think there has been any indication or hints of this in the films though.No one has really used the gems to their full potential or may even know how to, so far. *Besides maybe the Celestial in GOTG* , but the celestial should be able to destroy a planet with its own power. No gem needed. 😬
Thor knew that the Tesseract was a stone, Volstagg confirms this at the end of TDW when he tells the collector that two stones can't be kept together in the same place
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Technically it was a "vibranium cocktail", so very likely not as tough as a pure vibranium body would have been. And he didn't go down to any of them. He was visibly damaged and weakened, but hardly out of it. Why do you always twist anything Marvel related to make it look less/weaker than it was?
a. Vision isn't made from pure vibranium either, it helped bond his cells together
b. I didn't say Ultron was killed I said the trio was able to put him down; full vibranuim shell or not, thats a pretty low end feat for a supposedly indestructible metal like vibranuim to not withstand a few seconds of energy blasts
Originally posted by relentless1
Thor knew that the Tesseract was a stone, Volstagg confirms this at the end of TDW when he tells the collector that two stones can't be kept together in the same place
Yeah, but they didnt know at first. So it took a bit of time for them to figure it out.
I state this in my post.
Originally posted by Inhuman
Not even Thor , who is a cosmic being, recognized that the Staff or the tesseract was an infinity gem at first.
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Originally posted by relentless1
a. Vision isn't made from pure vibranium either, it helped bond his cells together
Where was it stated that Vision isnt pure vibranium?
Ultron had the Vibranium cocktail line. So thats why we could asume Ultron prime wasnt "pure V." But Vision as far as we know was made of pure vibranium. Why else would Ultron want to be in that "perfect" body, as he called it?
The Ultron prime body was a plan B body. The Vision body was his ultimate accomplishment - body.