Originally posted by krisblaze
Far from it.I'm saying we don't know the context surrounding his victory, how he did it.
It's a null showing since we don't actually SEE HIM DO ANYTHING.
We KNOW that he beat him because he told us. We see them engage. I didn't reference how he beat him, I said that he beat him and that is fact whether you like it or not and this is an example of him succeeding in a battle way outside of his weight class.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
We KNOW that he beat him because he told us. We see them engage. I didn't reference how he beat him, I said that he beat him and that is fact whether you like it or not and this is an example of him succeeding in a battle way outside of his weight class.
Okay.
How will his fight against the Black Dwarf apply to this matchup?
Specifics please.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
He beat him and took credit in the dialogue. Are you seriously questioning whether or not BP defeated him? Funny how you are the only one here on KMC suggesting it's not a feat.
He let fortune take the credit - and we saw how frustrated Black Dwarf also got with Shang Chi/Black Widow.
Besides, it may not have been 1-on-1 in single combat fighting:
Not to mention, If you re-read Panther's words, he tells Shuri: 'WE were fortunate'.
Originally posted by krisblaze
Far from it.I'm saying we don't know the context surrounding his victory, how he did it.
It's a null showing since we don't actually SEE HIM DO ANYTHING.
We KNOW that he beat him because he told us. We see them engage. I didn't reference how he beat him, I said that he beat him and that is fact whether you like it or not and this is an example of him succeeding in a battle way outside of his weight class.
There really is no way to spin this, they fought one on one, BP was outmatched on paper but still won.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
We KNOW that he beat him because he told us. We see them engage. I didn't reference how he beat him, I said that he beat him and that is fact whether you like it or not and this is an example of him succeeding in a battle way outside of his weight class.There really is no way to spin this, they fought one on one, BP was outmatched on paper but still won.
You already replied to this post, and I replied to you.
Please address the most recent post.
Originally posted by krisblaze
Okay.How will his fight against the Black Dwarf apply to this matchup?
Specifics please.
Originally posted by krisblaze
Okay.How will his fight against the Black Dwarf apply to this matchup?
Specifics please.
How will it "apply?" Let me restate the point. There are several members of the team- Cap, BP and Spiderman- that have fought well outside of their class and have won. The BP fight with Black Dwarf was an example of this. They will be fighting as a team against Wonderwoman. Given their individual accomplishments against higher tier characters along with other factors previously stated, it's logical that they would have a chance at putting down WW. The question is how much of a chance. I don't know if that is specific enough for your taste but that's how it applies in context.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He let fortune take the credit - and we saw how frustrated Black Dwarf also got with Shang Chi/Black Widow.Besides, it may not have been 1-on-1 in single combat fighting:
Not to mention, If you re-read Panther's words, he tells Shuri: 'WE were fortunate'.
You mean right after he told Shuri "Much more with that monster and I think he woould have beaten me.....I think I broke my hand."? Come on. It's crystal clear that he fought him one on one. He said "me", not "us." When Shuri used the terms "we" she wasn't talking about the fight between BP and BD, she was talking about the entire battle and the "we" refers to Wakandians. Notice how BP's suit is tattered and BD is leaking, but Shuri looks no worse for wear. She wasn't in the fight.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
How will it "apply?" Let me restate the point. There are several members of the team- Cap, BP and Spiderman- that have fought well outside of their class and have won. The BP fight with Black Dwarf was an example of this. They will be fighting as a team against Wonderwoman. Given their individual accomplishments against higher tier characters along with other factors previously stated, it's logical that they would have a chance at putting down WW. The question is how much of a chance. I don't know if that is specific enough for your taste but that's how it applies in context.
This thread is about Black Panther vs Dr.Strange.
Not Black Panther + other people vs Wonder Woman.
Please specify how Black Panther's off-panel fight vs Black Dwarf applies to this thread.
Obvious conclusion is obvious: T'Challa was losing, he had broken his hand, and Shuri had to step in to save him. And even so, it was still fortunate that 'they' were able to beat him 👆
I mean, without the fight in question, you cannot say that your interpretation is any more valid than mine, because we never saw the fight in question. We have two panels of him leaping over BD, and we also have the panel I showed of him AND Shuri jumping at BD.
Or BD accidentally tripped over his own shoelaces and fell awkwardly onto T'Challa's hand, dislocating his arm and breaking T'Challa's hand.
That he won, is not in question. But kris' and Style's point is, because we don't know how he did it, it is very difficult to use it on the forums.
Originally posted by riv6672
Personally, i dont mind someone using a noodle incident as a debate point. I just dont think its going to fly.
So you are discounting the victory like I said. That says everything about your bias. It happened, it's fact and it doesn't matter whether you accept is or not. It doesn't matter if you don't accept that BP was shown to be so fast that Sabertooth couldn't focus on him and it doesn't matter than he stopped a charging Elephant, it's all comic book "fact."
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Obvious conclusion is obvious: T'Challa was losing, he had broken his hand, and Shuri had to step in to save him. And even so, it was still fortunate that 'they' were able to beat him 👆I mean, without the fight in question, you cannot say that your interpretation is any more valid than mine, because we never saw the fight in question. We have two panels of him leaping over BD, and we also have the panel I showed of him AND Shuri jumping at BD.
Or BD accidentally tripped over his own shoelaces and fell awkwardly onto T'Challa's hand, dislocating his arm and breaking T'Challa's hand.
That he won, is not in question. But kris' and Style's point is, because we don't know how he did it, it is very difficult to use it on the forums.
Look, I know you are trying to provide a Devil Advocate excuse, but you are a guy with common sense from what I can tell over the years and you know damn well that BP beat him as indicated by the writer and the artist. He wouldn't said HE almost lost if he had outside help from his sister, he would have said he would have lost if you didn't step in. There is absolutely nothing to show or suggest he had any help from her or anyone else againt BD. Not every writer feels the need to spoon feed every occurance to the reader so that they can have a stronger argument on KMC forums. BP beat him, BD didn't injure himself.
Originally posted by krisblaze
This thread is about Black Panther vs Dr.Strange.Not Black Panther + other people vs Wonder Woman.
Please specify how Black Panther's off-panel fight vs Black Dwarf applies to this thread.
You know what? It doesn't. I have two board tabs up and posted in the wrong thread. 😂 Then again, this fight was brought up earlier and you sort of dismissed it saying it was "hard to gauge." Not sure why when the outcome was clear, but whatever.