TOR Team vs B-Team

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
For Satele Shan: http://www.comicvine.com/profile/darthant66/blog/satele-shan-respect-thread/103104/

For Aryn Leener: http://www.comicvine.com/profile/s_w_legend/blog/aryn-leener-respect-thread/102062/

After checking the aforementioned links, do tell me how Asajj Ventress holds a candle to the aforementioned Jedi powerhouses.

As for Darth Malgus being (far before her prime), you are forgetting that is among the greatest warriors of the Empire even as of Hope. This is proved in The Third Lesson, an event in which Darth Malgus killed a Jedi Master powerful enough to collapse buildings despite being mortally wounded.

Uh, yes.
http://www.comicvine.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/asaji-ventress-respect-thread-1604363/

She holds candles to both of them, especially Satele. Neither of them could stomp her. And members of this forum built a pretty good case that Hope Malgus isn't that far above (if at all above) Savage.

Originally posted by Selenial
Just for future reference, the reason it's called the B-Team is because all of them wished they had the best Jedi with them, like Kenobi and Yoda. They're called the B-Team because they weren't the first choice.

Yeah, if that happened Sidious would be fvcked.

BTW B-team wins.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Windu had extreme difficulty with ONE Ventress. :I

Extreme difficulty? Lol no Ventress quickly retreated when faced with Mace Windu. And Dooku Mace's equal was able to defeat Ventress and Savage, why would Mace not be able to replicate this.

Satele wasn't at her prime either and honestly I'd say her best feat is palming a lightsaber.

Prove this. You just said her best feat is during this time.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Extreme difficulty? Lol no Ventress quickly retreated when faced with Mace Windu. And Dooku Mace's equal was able to defeat Ventress and Savage, why would Mace not be able to replicate this.

Yet it is stated that Windu required all his skills to beat her.

Dooku benefited immensely from Savage's lack of training, ie lightning. Satele and Leneer will have no trouble with Mace's Force powers by comparison. Combined they are certainly stronger than him in this regard. Individually they are comparable. Also, without Vapaad Dooku is stronger than Windu. Mace has had trouble with basically every opponent he's fought. He's very overhyped.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Prove this. You just said her best feat is during this time.

She still had years of the war left to fight and she'd only get stronger over the time and masterful over the Force. She wasn't even close to an age where she'd start to weaken. Only when she retires from combat would her skills diminish.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Uh, yes.
http://www.comicvine.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/asaji-ventress-respect-thread-1604363/

She holds candles to both of them, especially Satele. Neither of them could stomp her. And members of this forum built a pretty good case that Hope Malgus isn't that far above (if at all above) Savage.

Asajj Ventress is a skilled duelist but she doesn't holds a candle to Satele Shan in the matters of command of the Force and raw power.

Members of this forum proved nothing in favor of Savage Opress in the relevant thread. Have a debate with me [1 on 1] on this matter and I will prove Malgus's superiority by a big margin.

How does OCW contradict her other showings?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yet it is stated that Windu required all his skills to beat her.

So because Mace Windu didn't hold back against her it's extreme difficulty? Please Ventress herself admitted she's no match for him.

Dooku benefited immensely from Savage's lack of training, ie lightning. Satele and Leneer will have no trouble with Mace's Force powers by comparison. Combined they are certainly stronger than him in this regard. Individually they are comparable. Also, without Vapaad Dooku is stronger than Windu. Mace has had trouble with basically every opponent he's fought. He's very overhyped.

Please, two Ventresses would have fared even worse. What are you talking about? Mace had Vaapad when he sparred with Dooku. What force feat does Satele have that suggests she won't get pwned like Sora Bulq? Mmm trouble? He's most certainly not overhyped on these boards, not with people like you claiming he needs extreme difficulty for Ventress.

She still had years of the war left to fight and she'd only get stronger over the time and masterful over the Force. She wasn't even close to an age where she'd start to weaken. Only when she retires from combat would her skills diminish.

Mmm considering people tend to peak physically around their 30s...yes her skills would diminish
*see Obi-Wan Kenobi.

Even if it wasn't her prime her feats are pretty bad. Even you have to admit that she's a complete let down to the hype you had for her.

...Actually, most jedi get stronger with age. Obi Wan is actually an exception for...some reason. I'm not sure why he declines so much, other then Alec Guiness being an old man and wanting to die in the first part of the trilogy.

But almost every other jedi...there is no point where Luke Skywalker is stronger yesterday then he is today. There's no point when Mara is stronger yesterday then she is today. And so on. Jacen/Caedus and Jaina grow in strength every day that goes by.

Originally posted by Angelalex242
...Actually, most jedi get stronger with age. Obi Wan is actually an exception for...some reason. I'm not sure why he declines so much, other then Alec Guiness being an old man and wanting to die in the first part of the trilogy.

But almost every other jedi...there is no point where Luke Skywalker is stronger yesterday then he is today. There's no point when Mara is stronger yesterday then she is today. And so on. Jacen/Caedus and Jaina grow in strength every day that goes by.

Not true. Satele flat out admits she's inferior to her younger self in TOR when you ask her to accompany you. Qui-Gon is also out of shape. And she's only like 60.

B team.

Originally posted by Selenial
Just for future reference, the reason it's called the B-Team is because all of them wished they had the best Jedi with them, like Kenobi and Yoda. They're called the B-Team because they weren't the first choice.

Well, FOTJ Luke is in his 60s, and he sure as hell isn't slowing down. Mara at 57 was kicking more ass and taking more names then she ever did. So. I dunno. Maybe people powerful enough in the force don't feel their age? Nearly 900 years old Yoda is, and kick your ass 10 different ways in 5 seconds he will.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
So because Mace Windu didn't hold back against her it's extreme difficulty? Please Ventress herself admitted she's no match for him.

Extreme difficulty is pushing it sure, but it still indicates a large difficulty on his part. Plus, this was only 3 months after the Battle of Geonisis! She improved quite a lot after that.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Please, two Ventresses would have fared even worse. What are you talking about? Mace had Vaapad when he sparred with Dooku. What force feat does Satele have that suggests she won't get pwned like Sora Bulq? Mmm trouble? He's most certainly not overhyped on these boards, not with people like you claiming he needs extreme difficulty for Ventress.

But Dooku wasn't a Sith at that point. Oh and Mace lost those sparring matches. Ummm, Satele has much better feats than Sora Bulq? Plus Bulg put Mace on his ass at one point. Pwned indeed.

He is overhyped. People act as if he's Sidious level for realz. Personally I think he's lower than Dooku. He consistently performs on a level below him, having trouble with opponents Dooku wouldn't. Ventress pushed him, Bulq floored him, Depa and Vastor nearly killed him and Maul played with him. No way is someone who performs like that beating Leneer and Satele at the same time. Leneer alone is a great fight for him, like she was for Malgus.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Mmm considering people tend to peak physically around their 30s...yes her skills would diminish
*see Obi-Wan Kenobi.

Even if it wasn't her prime her feats are pretty bad. Even you have to admit that she's a complete let down to the hype you had for her.

Obi-Wan was what I said, he diminished because he'd stopped fighting and training. Satele was still racking up kills and experience.

WTF? Uh, no her feats are really good. If that was her prime, that just makes her even better because 15 years later she's still performing incredibly impressive feats and whooping ass. So those feats are indicated to be lesser than what she's capable of earlier.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Extreme difficulty is pushing it sure, but it still indicates a large difficulty on his part. Plus, this was only 3 months after the Battle of Geonisis! She improved quite a lot after that.

Moderate difficulty at best. It doesn't indicate difficulty. If I approach a paper with all my effort and get an A, that doesn't make the test an extremely difficult test. If I passed it with a C or D it would though.

But Dooku wasn't a Sith at that point. Oh and Mace lost those sparring matches. Ummm, Satele has much better feats than Sora Bulq? Plus Bulg put Mace on his ass at one point. Pwned indeed.

He was still Yoda's most skilled pupil at that point. So? Its later stated that only Mace can match him on even ground. Satele does not have much better feats than Bulq. She at best has moderately better feats.

He is overhyped. People act as if he's Sidious level for realz. Personally I think he's lower than Dooku. He consistently performs on a level below him, having trouble with opponents Dooku wouldn't. Ventress pushed him, Bulq floored him, Depa and Vastor nearly killed him and Maul played with him.

No credible poster thinks Mace is Sidious level

That's honestly Jedi PIS. Mace was clearly capable of dismissing Bulq (and Ventress with that matter) with the Force but elects not to because "A Jedi uses the Force for defense"

Obi-Wan was what I said, he diminished because he'd stopped fighting and training. Satele was still racking up kills and experience.

I'll give you that. Still does not explain Qui-Gon's decline. Human Jedi seem to peak around their 30s/40s.

WTF? Uh, no her feats are really good. If that was her prime, that just makes her even better because 15 years later she's still performing incredibly impressive feats and whooping ass. So those feats are indicated to be lesser than what she's capable of earlier.

Her feats are not "really good". Name one character with significant feats or accolades she's defeated unassisted. Name one impressive TK feat. There are none. And her greatest dueling feat is getting disarmed by Malgus. She has ONE good Tutaminis feat, and Shaak Ti already displayed that it was possible to deflect a lightsaber with the Force. Not really that impressive.

Omg Starks Satele hatred is hurting my brain. 100% spite against her.

Putting aside individual strengths, TOR does have a battle meditator on it's side, which helps.

Originally posted by WildBantha88
Omg Starks Satele hatred is hurting my brain. 100% spite against her.

Not hatred, I just don't see what all the fuss is about. The Satele wanking on this board has gone on long enough. She has nothing that puts her above Maul in dueling or in the Force.

You think Mace can beat 2 Mauls at once?

Originally posted by Nephthys
You think Mace can beat 2 Mauls at once?

God no. But I think he can beat 2 Ventresses.