Originally posted by ares834
Uh, what. Where does this come from? He turns the illusion against Andeddu which kills him again, this time presumably forever. That's it.Also funny how you use what Wyyrlok says as "evidence" but ignore what Andeddu says. "What you believe to be real is what is real. Even your own death."
Another double standard. For shame.
Wow, Neph. Ares has you by the balls here. 😬
Originally posted by ares834
Uh, what. Where does this come from? He turns the illusion against Andeddu which kills him again, this time presumably forever. That's it.Also funny how you use what Wyyrlok says as "evidence" but ignore what Andeddu says. "What you believe to be real is what is real. Even your own death."
Another double standard. For shame.
The fact that Andeddu was already dead is a fact, as is directly stated. He cannot be "killed again" since he's already dead. His mind is forcing his body to respond despite that. By "killing" Andeddu mentally he stops him from forcing his body to be "alive".
What Andeddu says doesn't change anything. He's just agreeing with Wyyrlok. That the illusion only "killed" someone who is already dead means your point is worthless.
Furthermore, despite being presumably better than Andeddu at illusions, Wyrrlok in another showing uses them to make some people kill themselves. If he could just kill with illusions he wouldn't need to do that.
Thats... not really a double standard.
Originally posted by ILS
That was just an "iota" of his power. Not an indication of what he could do going all out.
And Wyyrlok's example of himself going all out is forcing someone to claw his own eyes out. Not killing someone. The fact remains that neither he nor Andeddu have killed anyone with illusions.
Originally posted by NephthysNot that we have ever seen. Andeddu certainly suggests that causing someone to believe in their own death telepathically will cause it physically, which is what he was trying to do to Wyyrlok. It seems Wyyrlok responded by returning the favour. Whether Wyyrlok could kill with telepathy prior to meeting Andeddu is in question, but after? Seems like he picked up a new skill to me.
The fact remains that neither he nor Andeddu have killed anyone with illusions.
The fact that Andeddu was already dead is a fact, as is directly stated. He cannot be "killed again" since he's already dead. His mind is forcing his body to respond despite that. By "killing" Andeddu mentally he stops him from forcing his body to be "alive".What Andeddu says doesn't change anything. He's just agreeing with Wyyrlok. That the illusion only "killed" someone who is already dead means your point is worthless.
Andeddu says his illusions can kill. Wyyrlok turns said illusion against Andeddu. Andeddu dies. The conclusion here is obvious.
Yes, it’s done through destroying Andeddu’s mind, that’s obvious as he wasn’t literally burned up by lava.
Furthermore, despite being presumably better than Andeddu at illusions, Wyrrlok in another showing uses them to make some people kill themselves. If he could just kill with illusions he wouldn't need to do that.
Which is a fair point and why I consented that Zannah’s sorcery may be better. However, because of his killing illusions, Andeddu has shown a level of mastery in sorcery that we haven’t seen Zannah come close to matching. Wyyrlok, however, is clearly shown to be Andeddu’s superior.
Originally posted by ares834
Andeddu says his illusions can kill. Wyyrlok turns said illusion against Andeddu. Andeddu dies. The conclusion here is obvious.Yes, it’s done through destroying Andeddu’s mind, that’s obvious as he wasn’t literally burned up by lava.
Andeddu is already dead. Like I said, he is "alive" only because he is willing himself to be. So the effects on his mind affect his body and cause him to return to death. There's no reason this would be the same for an actual living person who can continue breathing and pumping blood after even the loss of mental faculties.
Andeddu doesn't say that his illusions can kill. He is speaking purely about his own death and how he willed himself to live again. The fact of the matter is that the ONLY person "killed" by this illusion is someone who is already dead. There's no proof that it would actually kill someone for real.
Originally posted by ares834
Which is a fair point and why I consented that Zannah’s sorcery may be better. However, because of his killing illusions, Andeddu has shown a level of mastery in sorcery that we haven’t seen Zannah come close to matching. Wyyrlok, however, is clearly shown to be Andeddu’s superior.
Andeddu's illusions can't kill people. So there's no issue.