Originally posted by riv6672
Yeah. HAL did that. A trained GL. That wasnt my question though. Thanks, DS, i see what you're getting at.
Ah. GLs seem to have (need?) a lot more training than Sinestro Corps members, however. Whilst the GLs have training academies, trainers in the form of Kilowog, guidance in the form of Mogo etc...Sinestro Corps members just pick it up and play. Possibly due to the differing natures of the rings - one needs a LOT of training to overcome their fear, and the other depends on your ability to instill fear (which, as the rings find murderers and tyrants, you'd need almost zero training in).
IOW, with SC guys, as soon as you get a ring, you can battle a GL member who has had to have loads of training before they enter the field.
Originally posted by riv6672
Smart, ruthless, smart enough to counter his opponent's advantages (and Sinestro does have advantages), all these things describe Maestro.
The Hulk's been described as a tactical nuke, too.Your post opens up some great comparisons.
While Maestro is a better tactician than young Hulk i would give Sinestro the nod here, except of this Maestro lacks the mobility to counter Sinestros biggest advantage, flight and enough speed + constructs to keep a safe distance.
That wasn't a normal Nuke (lol)...it was gamma based and gamma energy hurts Hulk to the point of overloading his powers reverting him back to Banner. The scene was obvious. Banner withstood the same attack that killed Maestro. Let's use common sense here. The bomb powered up Banner into the Hulk. The same attack wouldn't have the same results towards Maestro because his gamma levels were pretty much at its max. It wasn't the Nuke that killed him, it was the radiation, unless you think Banner is above Maestro. Sad that I had to explain this to people. Try to hard to find a way for a character to lose that the details are ignored.
Lol...the same Nuke that SUPPOSEDLY killed every hero on his planet, Maestro survived it.
Originally posted by riv6672
What is the end result of multiple rings wielded by someone who's not an actual Lantern? How much power was Mongul actually channeling?
Not to do with the versus so much as i'm curious, remembering a scene with a very non GL Ollie almost pooping himself to make a simple construct once.
Mongul was still said to be Superman level pages before his fight against Sinestro. No physical amp was mentioned and as shown, he didn't even use the rings in his fight against Sinestro.
Originally posted by carver9
That wasn't a normal Nuke (lol)...it was gamma based and gamma energy hurts Hulk to the point of overloading his powers reverting him back to Banner. The scene was obvious. Banner withstood the same attack that killed Maestro. Let's use common sense here. The bomb powered up Banner into the Hulk. The same attack wouldn't have the same results towards Maestro because his gamma levels were pretty much at its max. It wasn't the Nuke that killed him, it was the radiation, unless you think Banner is above Maestro. Sad that I had to explain this to people. Try to hard to find a way for a character to lose that the details are ignored.Lol...the same Nuke that SUPPOSEDLY killed every hero on his planet, Maestro survived it.
So all that would be needed to not only kill, but vapourise Maestro, is radiation from a nuke.
Still not sure how your post invalidates my point....
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So all that would be needed to not only kill, but vapourise Maestro, is radiation from a nuke.Still not sure how your post invalidates my point....
Pretty much. Is Sinestro walking around with the same radiation from the bomb?
Uuuummmm, you posted Maestro dying from the Nuke that created Hulk that had special attributes to it. You then tried to compare it to Sinestro surviving a planet explosion which doesn't have a thing to do with what Maestro withstood (then you forgot to mention that Maestro survived a nuclear winter that killed some of the hero's on Earth). It's obvious what your intentions were which lead to Sinestro>human Banner>Maestro.
Come on Darksaint. Just admit you didn't think this through and your intentions were to find a way for Hulk to lose (as well as thriving to counter my post).
Originally posted by carver9
Pretty much. Is Sinestro walking around with the same radiation from the bomb?Uuuummmm, you posted Maestro dying from the Nuke that created Hulk that had special attributes to it. You then tried to compare it to Sinestro surviving a planet explosion which doesn't have a thing to do with what Maestro withstood (then you forgot to mention that Maestro survived a nuclear winter that killed some of the hero's on Earth). It's obvious what your intentions were which lead to Sinestro>human Banner>Maestro.
Come on Darksaint. Just admit you didn't think this through and your intentions were to find a way for Hulk to lose (as well as thriving to counter my post).
Not really.
This was the post that started it all. Which made you run.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Let's take a look at this, and retroactively add your argument in here.First off, correct me if I'm wrong, but Maestro did not KO Genis, correct? No need, he didn't. Not only that, but Genis was nowhere near his insane levels there.
And he beat the breaks off of Hulk, which we'll get to a little bit of context later, but he did not KO him. Something which you're faulting SBP for.
In fact, outside of Exiles which I could check I guess, Maestro's only KO victory is due to breaking Hulk's neck.
Which Maestro needed a cheap attack to accomplish:
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Hulk%20-%20Future%20Imperfect%20002-011.jpg.htmlHulk got cheapshotted right before his second fight with Maestro with a weapon that could "kill" Maestro. And Maestro didn't even KO him either in that fight:
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Hulk%20-%20Future%20Imperfect%20002-030.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Hulk%20-%20Future%20Imperfect%20002-031.jpg.htmlAnd Maestro dies to a gamma bomb. Something later Hulks can utterly tank. Hulks who you're using in your post to show how much superior Maestro is to them:
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Hulk%20-%20Future%20Imperfect%20002-045.jpg.htmlSo, even following your logic, Maestro has no KO victories in one on one fights, and no KO victories in team battles. Everyone knows his one KO victory is due to a cheap attack, and thus by Carver law, it doesn't count.
So I ask you Carver, why the need to lowball Prime? Because Maestro has nothing?
Why is Maestro impressive when everything you've used against Prime would indicate Maestro is pathetic?
You at least have changed your tune from before. When you were trying to imply that it was MAESTRO who killed all those heroes. You also tried to make out Maestro, through the powers of his own fists, was pounding away at Prof Hulk - when it would appear he had been cheap shotted a few panels back by a super weapon designed by Forge specifically to kill Maestro.
Also, you claimed that Maestro was able to move Thor's hammer. When in fact, he couldn't:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20F-M/HulkvsMaestro12.jpg
I guess this is what happens when you try to fool poor old me - someone will always find you out. Your blatant lying is horrendous - when was Maestro able to move Mjolnir?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Not really.This was the post that started it all. Which made you run.
You at least have changed your tune from before. When you were trying to imply that it was MAESTRO who killed all those heroes. You also tried to make out Maestro, through the powers of his own fists, was pounding away at Prof Hulk - when it would appear he had been cheap shotted a few panels back by a super weapon designed by Forge specifically to kill Maestro.
Also, you claimed that Maestro was able to move Thor's hammer. When in fact, he couldn't:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20F-M/HulkvsMaestro12.jpg
I guess this is what happens when you try to fool poor old me - someone will always find you out. Your blatant lying is horrendous - when was Maestro able to move Mjolnir?
Show me where I was the first to bring up Maestro vs the heros.
Professor Hulk was not hit with the full blunt of the gun and he was ok during their ending battle. No sign of fatigue or injury. Hell, he cheap shotted Maestro panels before getting worked by tossing Cap shield through his torso and then trying to cut Maestro in half with it...WHILE pounding on his face.
Look at the hammer Darksaint. Let me know if you can't see it, I can explode the picture and add a Lil doodling on it to help you out. Is the hammer tilted or not?
I see you are trying to change the subject here. It's best you do that since your argument held no weight.
That's not just any nuke, it's the original nuke that changed Banner. That one was particularly effective.
And anyone saying mongul with rings >>>> maestro doesn't know what he's talking about. Maestro killed most of the heroes in his world, and basically he's a stronger, smarter and more experienced hulk.
Also, i believe he fought warrior madness thor. pressing him down with one hand and BFR'ing him in the end
Originally posted by BeorndebeerStill hasnt been proven that he killed most of the heroes of his world 😐
That's not just any nuke, it's the original nuke that changed Banner. That one was particularly effective.
And anyone saying mongul with rings >>>> maestro doesn't know what he's talking about. Maestro killed most of the heroes in his world, and basically he's a stronger, smarter and more experienced hulk.
Also, i believe he fought warrior madness thor. pressing him down with one hand and BFR'ing him in the end
Originally posted by riv6672
What is the end result of multiple rings wielded by someone who's not an actual Lantern? How much power was Mongul actually channeling?
Not to do with the versus so much as i'm curious, remembering a scene with a very non GL Ollie almost pooping himself to make a simple construct once.
Queen'c cynical nature inhibited the ring's effectiveness.
Your King of Canon has enlightened you!
