Originally posted by Silent Master
Post feats of Tom using accio without a wand and also post feats of accio overpowering multi-ton level force.
Accio is a spell that is used without a wand first off. I'm not saying it will I'm just stating the obvious and asking a simple question. Harry used accio without a wand, and Voldmelrt moved an entire giant with his bare hands using TK. There are plenty of spells you don't need a wand for. With this even without a wand Voldmelrt can still win as there are spells he can use without the need of a wand.
Wait a second. Once Sidiosu has the wand if he does take it. Voldmelrt can just take it right back with accio.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Accio is a spell that is used without a wand first off. I'm not saying it will I'm just stating the obvious and asking a simple question. Harry used accio without a wand, and Voldmelrt moved an entire giant with his bare hands using TK. There are plenty of spells you don't need a wand for. With this even without a wand Voldmelrt can still win as there are spells he can use without the need of a wand.
No, accio isn't a spell used without a wand, as Harry clearly needed his wand to cast it during the first task of the Tri-Wizard tournament.
If you want to claim it doesn't need a wand, then post proof and also post proof that it can overpower multi-ton level force.
Originally posted by Silent Master
No, accio isn't a spell used without a wand, as Harry clearly needed his wand to cast it during the first task of the Tri-Wizard tournament.If you want to claim it doesn't need a wand, then post proof and also post proof that it can overpower multi-ton level force.
Yet he can accomplish dark spells without a wand, disarm people without wand. All of those are definitely more powerful than a simple summoning charm.So with that Tom can use accio without a wand as he is also able to disarm people without a wand and also repel and even send the casters spell back at them, and even use offensive attacks without a wand.
There are plenty of spells that don't require a wand or Voldmelrt doesn't need to use a wand.
Look at his last battle with Harry. https://youtu.be/rBRfVbP1cyo
He displays powerful burst of dark energy without the need of a wand and also the ability to make tenatcle like things from his cloak. I'm not saying that accio will overpower it. I'm just wondering, could it possibly get his wand back is all I'm asking.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Post clips of him using accio without a wand and also post clips of his wandless accio overpowering multi-ton level force.
He can move a troll without a wand. This by itself proves he can summon things without his wand. Again I'm not saying accio would overpower TK. I just asked did anyone else think that accio could rival it in getting Voldmelrt wand back. Voldmelrt never used accio in the series. However he did use dark magic without a wand, blow out a ball of dark wnergy without a wand (sorta) able to disarm people without a wand, able to teleport without a wand, and use tentacles from his robe without a wand.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Post the clips.
Wait a second. Your biggest indifference is because Harry used it in the first task. Oh my god how stupid are you. The broom was x amount of feet to distance away. Then he is a fourth year. Oh my.
https://youtu.be/bA5cIGdt9j4 Draco lets down all the shades without a wand
https://youtu.be/OPBkcMNnwX4 here is where Voldmelrt, lifts Harry with his TK not using his wand, repels Harry's charm back at him, throws him around without a wand
https://youtu.be/rBRfVbP1cyo here Voldmelrt does a multitude of spells without a wand
https://youtu.be/uoO2URonebQ in the beginning Voldmelrt use wandless magic to push a troll of the bridge with ease
https://youtu.be/LHolRZeQNG4 here not even 11 years old yet snape is able to Telekineticly able to levitate/send a twig to lily with no strain.
https://youtu.be/URbvT_pkAjI here voldemort effortlessly disarms Harry with his bare hands with TK
I think it's pretty clear Voldmelrt can use accio without a wand.
Except you posted no feats of Tommy using accio without a wand, so I'll take that as a concession that you admit that Tommy can't use a wandless accio.
Now as for his version of TK, you still have to post feats of it overpowering multi-ton level force. as the very minor feats you have listed so far aren't enough to warrant Tommy being able to resist/overpower force tk.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Except you posted no feats of Tommy using accio without a wand, so I'll take that as a concession that you admit that Tommy can't use a wandless accio.Now as for his version of TK, you still have to post feats of it overpowering multi-ton level force. as the very minor feats you have listed so far aren't enough to warrant Tommy being able to resist/overpower force tk.
I will take this a concession of stupidity. If yoda can lift a droideka but we never see him lift a rock, does that mean he can't lift the rock. If Sidiosu uses force storm, but we never see him use lighting sheild, does that mean he can't. Just because you don't see someone do something that doesn't mean they can't especially if they have done much greater. So with this you concede that Voldmelrt can do accio without a wand sinc she can do many more complex spells, also what's to say that it was t accio except in a twisted version. Like he used in conjunction with another ability of used it for another purpose. So thank you for you concession.
The fact that the force and magic exist in two different universe you can't post clips. So with that show a clip of Sidious being able to overpower accio.
I have come to expect more from you. You have to be high, drunk, or something is wrong with you to believe that Voldmelrt can't do accio without a wand. You are basing your argument off of a 14 year old vs a 71 year old. Voldmelrt is more powerful, more experienced, and more skilled. He can definitely use accio without a wand. Thank you for your concession.
Even if we grant that he might possibly be able to use it based on his other feats, the fact that he has no feats using a wandless accio means that we would have no way to judge how powerful it would be, thus making it useless in a debate. So you'd be better off using spells/abilities that he actually has feats for.
Now can you provide any feats of Tommy boy's tk-like ability overpowering multi-ton level force?
Originally posted by Silent Master
Even if we grant that he might possibly be able to use it based on his other feats, the fact that he has no feats using a wandless accio means that we would have no way to judge how powerful it would be, thus making it useless in a debate. So you'd be better off using spells/abilities that he actually has feats for.Now can you provide any feats of Tommy boy's tk-like ability overpowering multi-ton level force?
So yoda can't lift rocks. He has feats saying he can since he has performed stronger feats. So yes you can determine how powerful it is based off his other feats. They give you a measure of how powerful he is. With a little left to be desired. Thank you for your concession.
Did I just list an entire rank of YouTube videos for nothing. The two are basically the same to each other for their respective series's. Voldmelrt has displayed so much power. Power that can rival Sidious power(when I say this I think mostly of lightning). Ever since are first hogwarts vs Star Wars debate you have just launched out saying yoda or Sidiosu or any Star Wars character takes there wand. For once use there own power to win the fight instead of just saying he can TK his wand when you spark debate. So you post clips that his force can overcome accio.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on ? Need we examine his feats. Voldemort's reflexes are far quicker and his ranged game is better than a guy who needs to use his saber in close. Force lightning isn't very powerful and can't contend with someone with one shot death curses.
Based on being much faster. Based on blitzing guys with enhanced reflexes and precog. Based on keeping up with Yoda.
Watch the movies some time, Quan. They won't hurt you, except maybe Attack of the Clones.
Originally posted by PsychotronI have seen these guys with enhanced speed. Jango took one out and took Obi on. He fared pretty well.
Based on being much faster. Based on blitzing guys with enhanced reflexes and precog. Based on keeping up with Yoda.Watch the movies some time, Quan. They won't hurt you, except maybe Attack of the Clones.
He can keep up in a close sword fight with Yoda but Voldemort brings a lot of deadly magic Palpatine cannot account for. Voldemort can also fly and apparate.
I also timed out the force lightning attacks and the force push Yoda hit him with. This is human level speed.
Voldemort is used to ranged combat with his opponents being able to fire back unlike Palpatine.
Originally posted by Silent Master
None of your youtube vids showed feats that would suggest Tommy boy could overpower Force TK, so yes, you posting inferior feats was a waste of time.
Apparently not as you now except that Tom can use accio without a wand. As for overpowering him with his own TK is currently up to popular opinion as there will be opinions split. I made this thread to see who would win in an all out match. Also I showed how wizards can handle both smaller objects in various amounts and bigger in smaller amounts. If we went by books we see a great amount of TK ability but this is movie versions only. So it wasn't for nothing. Thank you for your concession.
No, I don't accept that he can use accio without a wand, because you posted no feats of him doing so, My point is that even if we grant him the ability to do so, without any feats we have no way to determine how powerful his wandless accio would be and thus it would be useless in a debate.
As for Tommy using his tk-like ability, you have posted no proof that would suggest that it is even 10% as strong as Force TK, which means that Force tk wins 10/10.
Originally posted by Silent Master
No, I don't accept that he can use accio without a wand, because you posted no feats of him doing so, My point is that even if we grant him the ability to do so, without any feats we have no way to determine how powerful his wandless accio would be and thus it would be useless in a debate.As for Tommy using his tk-like ability, you have posted no proof that would suggest that it is even 10% as strong as Force TK, which means that Force tk wins 10/10.
When he has feats saying he can use accio without a wand. If you can push something without a wand you can summon something without a wand. I can accept this part of your argument that there is no way to offfically tell how powerful his TK is. However we can estimate based on his other powers.
I wouldn't put his powers at that level. I would definitely say his powers are greater than what you give him. Also what about Sauroman. Why is everyone ignoring him. Sidious or Voldmelrt won't be able to disarm anyone without risk of distraction from the other opponent who could catch him.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Once Tommy get his wand tk'd, he'll be seen as the weak link and thus will likely be double-teamed.
I have hard time believing Tom is going to get disarmed as he is always lashing out in furious power so Sidiosu wouldn't get the chance anyway also he has his own TK power. Also if he is distracted Sauroman would take out Sidious as he is the truly distracted one. Also he would be filled as Voldmelrtt has plenty other power at his command that don't need a wand or time.