Some Questions:
- What if Mr. Smith is not a bad guy after all?
- What if Mr. Smith is the only one aware of the real reality.
Zion can't be a part of the real world - otherwise Neo wouldn't have been able to save his friends from the machines in the end of movie II.
(at least i see it that way)
- and one last word - live your live and not your movie-dreams ;-)
My understanding of The Matrix
I what believe is that there are two Matrix's. The Architect says that he had created two Matrix's. He says that 99% of all subjects accepted the first Matrix and that the 1% rejected it. I think that this 1% are the people like Morpheus, Trinity etc. This 1% is then moved to the 2nd Matrix and what they believe to be the "real world". The Architect then goes on to say that the 2nd Matrix he created wasn't entirely perfected. Let's say for example purposes that 99.9999% of all subjects accepted the 2nd Matrix and 0.0001% rejected it. This 0.0001% (ie Neo) are uploaded with the program of 'The One' to keep them from realising that they are in the 2nd Matrix and so that they can release the rejectees from the 1st Matrix until it reaches critical mass, where they are then "taken" to the Source so they can choose to "restart" the system. But because the machines do not experience human feelings they never excepted love to be a factor which would eefect the running of the The Matrix. The Architect expects Neo to choose the right door which would lead to the salvation of Zion but because this time love is a factor 'The One' this time chooses the left door.
Evidence of the 2nd Matrix is the fact that Neo feels the Sentinels like he does the agents and stops them like he does a bullet. Another piece of evidence is that Agent Smith was able to exist in the "real world", it is not possible for a program to exist in reality. So he must have just transfered from the 1st Matrix to the 2nd.
In the 3rd film I believe Neo will awaken from the coma and begin to see the code as he does in the 1st Matrix. I also believe that Smith will help the humans. When Neo enter him I believe that a piece of human feeling was left behind and he has a sense of what it's like to be free. I don't believe that the EMP was an act of betrayel but infact he was trying to help in some way. I may be wrong about this but I do believe the 2nd Matrix theory
Sorry for dribbling on but I'm gonna stop that because its hurting my head trying to get around the idea of Matrix.
But what everyone must understand is, as a machine, you are as efficient as you possibly can be. There is no "want" there is only necessity. If something MUST be done, then it will be done. In otherwords, there is no desire.
Essentially, they do everything as efficient as they possibly can do. Why would they create a 2nd matrix for only 250000 people. (Actually even less than that, some humans are natural born) When there are so many others. Think about it. There are renegade programs all over the matrix right? And agents and other "maintenance" programs are doing their best to try and keep things in order. The oracle says that there are programs running around all over the place. So how effiecient is it to make an even higher evolved version of the matrix to simulate Zion? The matrix itself is horribly complicated, but the machines need it to survive in the most efficient way possible, us. What is the point for making another "super matrix" for those one percenters? It would be easier to just breed 250000 more humans.
Zion is the place where those one percenters get dumped so they won't screw up the system. That is the purpose of Zion.
As for Neo, it has to do with Smith. Bane (human Smith took over) was unconcious just as Neo was. He was also the only survivor. Why is that?
Tev ur last point just proves that there must be a second matrix. In the first film we see that as soon as the agents are "killed" they just rejuvenate this is what Bane has done. As for the "naturally" born people of Zion, they are just like the "naturally" born of the 1st matrix.
What is the basic function of all intelligence? To reproduce. What is needed to reproduce? Energy and where do the machines get their energy? From the humans in the matrix. And with even more machines even more engergy is needed. So why would they just dump the bodies who couldn't accept the 1st matrix into Zion (which would be a waste of valuable energy), when they could just transfer the 1%er's to another matrix they would accept and gain from the energy made from them and the people who are "naturally" born in Zion.
This isnt are desire of the machines but a MUST or even a need because they need energy to survive
As far as I am concerned the Architect made it very clear that people whi disrupt the Matrix cause its destruction, and this happens whether they THINK they have escaped it or not- it's subconcious. If it is in fact another Matrix then they did not really have a choice about it at all- and this GENUINE choice is essential to the Architect's plan. Just dumping them in a different one would not work, it would still crash.
Zion is most likely real. The whole 'matrix inside a matrix' thing is the plot of Existenz, not this. People have lept to the most dreadful conclusions.
Incidentally, the basic fucntion of intelligence is not to reproduce. Intelligence is nothing to do with reproduction, which occurs in single-cells who would not know what intelligence was at a MENSA meeting.
The basic function of intelligence is to aid the species and it i up to the machines whether re-production is an important part of that. They may want a stable population, especially as they are in many ways immortal.
And your idea that Bane 'rejuvenating' (which is not something I saw) therefore proves there is a second Matrix strikes me as a very odd idea.
Ush speaks the most likely explanation. As for Bane "rejuvinating" himself, that never happens in the movie, even to agents in the matrix.
Agents are "sentient programs that can move in and out of any software still hardwired to the system"
in otherwords, if you're plugged in the matrix and not hacking in, an agent can take over you. This is how the agents never really die. The body dies, but the program just takes over another body plugged in the matrix.
Chico, I think when Neo took the pill, they said it disrupted his input/output carrier signal, so when the matrix lost Neo's signal, they thought he died. That machine was there to flush the body and unhook all the mechanical connectors.
Well, it looks like there is the safe way to plug out of the Matrix. As they can do that in ship. I guess that they receive some code over the phone which prepares mind for turning simulation off. The pill could do the same.
Anyway, a question - how it is possible that anyone survived the crash of the first Matrix?
maybe i'ts just me but i thought there was a scene in reloaded when they reached zion and the people came to neo for miracles. then if it's possible for him to perfom miracles, it means his powers work in the real world so his contact with the sentinels in the end didnt mean he hadnt used his powers before but that he does have a connection with the sentinels. he says he can feel them, because a part of smith's in him.
Choice
The real world isnt the real world....
the architect and oracle talk about the importance of the illusion of choice, and as the french dude explains there is only causality,
The architect heavily talks about the illusion of choice, although never talks about what that choice is. The choice is simple whether a person remains in the matrix or not. so the real world was programmed in as a saftey net to allow for people to leave the percieved reality to percieved freedom, the only time this becomes apparant is in neos use of powers against the sentinals at the end of reloaded. So why do the machines want zion destroyed then re-built - evidently in the creation of a 'free' world it is possible for the human mind of those militant enough to think they have left the system to do damage to that system, effectivly turning themselves into a virus. But why would they let them rebuild? - because the machines need zion to exist, it is a means to keep the anomoly under control, and as previously mentioned, it gives the illusion of choice,
We are going to see Neo do crazy stuff in the real world, simply because it is not real
Tevesh>” as i posted in another thread. damn cliffhangers. i wanna see revolutions now dammit!”
😄 My sentiment! Exactly! NOW!
What will happen in Revolutions? From the trailer it looks like all-out war. Which, btw, is why I still don’t believe there is a Matrix within a Matrix. Neo can affect the sentinels, because part of his mind, his digital self, is still in the source or touched the source. Smith can copy himself. Why should Neo not be able to copy HIS digital self, being able to affect even the simplest programmes.
The problem is choice. Ultimately the way to beat the Architects choices (death of humanity, or death of Trinity) is to either not choose at all. OR choose both. Even if it is only on a subconscious level.
However: The One never did THAT before. And when Neo feels the Sentinels and stops them, his mental projection causes him to go into coma.
Someone has to get to the Source and get the digital copy.