Aethiests and Islam

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
I should note that people like Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens are/were harsher on Islam than they are/were on Christianity.

Yet if you gather the talks they do, most are on Christianity and not Islam.

Unless you have something you would like to show to back your statement.

Was Hitchens and Dawkins book against Yahweh or Allah?

Yahweh. I rest my case.

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DL

Originally posted by Greatest I am
I agree with this last.

Your denigration of atheists I do not agree with.

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DL

You weirdly see this as denigration (I am an atheist, btw) which pretty much just shows your lack of human understanding. I am actually very disturbed by your idea that people must get militantly involved with causes else they are inviting evil- like I say, this is the language of the fanatic. I think you are apt to cause great harm with what you want. You need a better understanding of people.

Incidentally, you are not debating at all- you are basically preaching, just as much as any Christian.

I imagined we could fairly much take it as read that the struggle for human rights over the 20 and 2st centuries has been pretty much a positive one. These things work far better via encouragement and inspiration than needless confrontation. It's also tremendously hypocritical of you to talk about methods when you provide none- you seem to think some random stretch of popular confrontation would do something about Ugandan human rights issues instead of, say, simply widening the confrontation and making it look like a colour and/or post-colonial thing, which makes your ideas cack-handed as well as morally disturbing.

And like I say, mis-attributed. Areas with poor human rights records have these issues regardless of Christianity. Massive human rights abuses in Africa are also are committed in the name of Islam- but then when Ethiopia was communist, they massacred up to half a million Christians there too. You are trying to blame a specific ideology, but that just speaks to your own biased hatred. This is a much broader issue.

I would certainly say atheists, or indeed people in general, are more minded to want something done about human rights in general- as opposed to your weird idea of everyone stepping up in some giant anti-Christian crusade (irony intentional). You are caught up in your own hate.

This is why this whole thread is wrong from the outset- this strange idea that there is a broad anti-Christian campaign going on. Nearly every time some Christian-based idea gets defeated in the courts in the US (for it is generally, in the west, only in the US that Christianity has enough influence for such legal showdowns to happen), it;s not 'Christianity vs. atheists' but 'Fanatic Christianity vs human rights and legal process', which are concepts as much enshrined by other Christians than they are by some massive atheist effort.

Originally posted by Greatest I am
Yet if you gather the talks they do, most are on Christianity and not Islam.

Unless you have something you would like to show to back your statement.

Was Hitchens and Dawkins book against Yahweh or Allah?

Yahweh. I rest my case.

Regards
DL

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True, most of their books are against Christianity, but the reasons for that have already been aptly stated in this thread. And let's not forget that Yahweh is Allah.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
First minute of this video:
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True, most of their books are against Christianity, but the reasons for that have already been aptly stated in this thread. And let's not forget that Yahweh [b]is Allah. [/B]

Yahweh never promised a bunch of virgins in heaven.

Sure both authors spoke against Islam.

As a secondary target.

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DL

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Why are atheists more concern about Christianity than Islam?

Probably because countries in which Islam is more popular have less atheists in them. I've never actually debated a Muslim, perhaps outside brief encounters on KMC. I don't know many of them. But the country is predominantly Christian, that's what my upbringing was, and the questions/attacks on my beliefs generally come from Christians. So that's where more of my knowledge and focus lies. It's out of necessity. I've never had to answer "Why is Mohammad not God's prophet?" but I've frequently had to answer why I don't believe in the divinity of Jesus.

On principle, of course, I'm not more or less concerned about either. I simply disagree with both, and I'm not terribly militant about my atheism. But any perceived focus on Christianity is a practical one due to my culture.

Oh, also, this:

Originally posted by Ushgarak
You're kind of twisting the question, though it effectively answers itself.

First, the point is, why should atheists concern themselves with any religion? Most don't- they don't care at all. You give the impression that atheists are all militant religion haters who 'concern' themselves constantly.

So if you then push that to the subset of atheists who to actively get involved with trying to debate and/or combat religion, then Adam PoE answered the question- you re interacting with people where the religion they are by a long way most likely to encounter and identify a need for engagement with is Christianity. If I was a politically active atheist in the US and was lobbying to reduce religious influence on the political system, then what is 99% of that influence? Christian, so I would inevitably engage there. If you lived in, say, Turkey, the atheists there (assuming you met one who cared to engage in such debate at all) would concern themselves primarily with Islam.

So, simple as that. Your idea that there is some sort of acceptance of Islam and not of Christianity is entirely false.

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Originally posted by Greatest I am
I do not think they are in the sense that in the West, Christianity is the huge majority religion.

If I wanted to chat with Muslims I would not be able to find many.

I am not an atheist but to Muslims I would be close enough and if they were the predominant religion in my area, the West, then I would be chatting with them more than Christians.

Both religions are homophobic and misogynous and not worthy of modern peoples who have morals.

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DL

So if Canada had more like a 10-20% populace of Islamic believers, you would be quoting disproving the Koran instead of the Bible?

Originally posted by Greatest I am
Yahweh never promised a bunch of virgins in heaven.

Sure both authors spoke against Islam.

As a secondary target.

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DL

Different interpretations of the same character

Dawkins spoke primarily against Islam while Hitchens spoke about freedom of speech and religion in general as a secondary target.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
So if Canada had more like a 10-20% populace of Islamic believers, you would be quoting disproving the Koran instead of the Bible?

If I was speaking to a Muslim, I would not care if it was a majority or a minority. I was just showing that there are not many around.

Those that are, are mostly so far to the right that reasoning with them is practically impossible.

They mostly end up sounding like this one who cannot answer straight questions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIoFiDE2awM

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DL

We have a Muslim that posts here, but I never seen you engage him.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Different interpretations of the same character

Dawkins spoke primarily against Islam while Hitchens spoke about freedom of speech and religion in general as a secondary target.

That has not been what I have found while casting through the web.

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DL

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
We have a Muslim that posts here, but I never seen you engage him.

Or him me.

There are many here I have not interacted with.

Your point was?

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DL

Usually anyone who makes a post about Christianty or God, much like I did here you engage. So it appears to me that you single out Christians and my Op was correct.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Usually anyone who makes a post about Christianty or God, much like I did here you engage. So it appears to me that you single out Christians and my Op was correct.

You show how poorly you judge.

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DL

Originally posted by Greatest I am
You show how poorly you judge.

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DL

Very true. He conceders anyone who disagrees with him an attacker.

Originally posted by Greatest I am
You show how poorly you judge.

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DL

When do you debate Allah or the Koran or Mohammad though. Like I said, there are Islamic faith posters here..

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Very true. He conceders anyone who disagrees with him an attacker.

Not at all

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
When do you debate Allah or the Koran or Mohammad though. Like I said, there are Islamic faith posters here..

I get around and take on all I go against regardless of their religion on the moral or belief issue I speak to.

At this point in time, even as I am prolific, there is only one Muslim who I am speaking to. The first one this year I think.

You might like to know that when I first started in these sites, I did go to many Muslim sites but most banned me in quick order just as the more right wing Christian sites have banned me.

The more Right wing the site, the less tolerant they are and you have seen how leftish I am and that is why I get the boot fairly quickly from right leaning sites.

You have seen how I often say that Christian and Muslin religions are both homophobic and misogynous yet no Muslim from this site ever took offence enough to engage.

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DL

Originally posted by Greatest I am
...You have seen how I often say that Christian and Muslin religions are both homophobic and misogynous yet no Muslim from this site ever took offence enough to engage.

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DL

No Muslim here reads anything.

Originally posted by Greatest I am
I get around and take on all I go against regardless of their religion on the moral or belief issue I speak to.

At this point in time, even as I am prolific, there is only one Muslim who I am speaking to. The first one this year I think.

You might like to know that when I first started in these sites, I did go to many Muslim sites but most banned me in quick order just as the more right wing Christian sites have banned me.

The more Right wing the site, the less tolerant they are and you have seen how leftish I am and that is why I get the boot fairly quickly from right leaning sites.

You have seen how I often say that Christian and Muslin religions are both homophobic and misogynous yet no Muslim from this site ever took offence enough to engage.

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DL

Fair enough

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Why are atheists more concern about Christianity than Islam?

Can't speak for all atheists, but when it comes to America..well, Christianity is shoved down our throats a lot more then Islam is. It doesn't say "In Allah We Trust" on our money.