Dooku vs Darth Wyyrlock

1. Wyyrlok isn't "most Jedi" - he's the guy who held off a bloodlusted Reborn Krayt.

2. That's just you playing connect the dots, Nova. Revan easily deflecting Nyriss' lightning wasn't even a working concept when Dooku first fired lightning at Yoda, so I think it's pretty illogical to start applying power scaling where it doesn't necessarily apply. That said, I can just as easily argue that Revan just has better Tutaminis than Yoda as of AotC - Yoda doesn't have to be the best in every area. Not to mention going by your logic Dooku's lightning is more powerful than a nexus-amped Nyriss', which is ludicrous. It's just a case of the movies being underwhelming compared to the EU.

..what makes the people Dooku knocked out with lightning so great? To answer your question; their Force sensitivity, their numbers, and the fact Wyyrlok killed them without even going all out.

Originally posted by ILS
Dooku's telekinetic skill is beyond Wyyrlok's,

I dunno, if we take the fact that Krayt wasn't shoving him around like he did Cade into account, then a reasonable case could be made for Wyyrlok having comparable telekinetic skills, especially if he's supposed to be a ways ahead of Saarai.

Wyyrlok's lightning are beyond Dooku's, and I question the Count's ability to defend from those.

Poor Dooku, no one respects his FL lol.

1. So what? Obi-Wan wasn't prepared for it either, that I recall. And neither was Raskta in RoT.

2. True, but I find it equally illogical for Yoda's Tutaminis to suddenly jump from being so far behind Revan's to so far in front by RotS - a mere three years in which he really didn't show much Tutaminis.

3. It's not much better than Dooku's Lightning killing the Zabraks.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
I dunno, if we take the fact that Krayt wasn't shoving him around like he did Cade into account, then a reasonable case could be made for Wyyrlok having comparable telekinetic skills, especially if he's supposed to be a ways ahead of Saarai.

Poor Dooku, no one respects his FL lol.

I respect his lightning just fine, it's just below Wyyrlok's.

Originally posted by SunRazer
1. So what? Obi-Wan wasn't prepared for it either, that I recall. And neither was Raskta in RoT.

2. True, but I find it equally illogical for Yoda's Tutaminis to suddenly jump from being so far behind Revan's to so far in front by RotS - a mere three years in which he really didn't show much Tutaminis.

3. It's not much better than Dooku's Lightning killing the Zabraks.

2. It only becomes illogical because Yoda's power in the EU evolved from what we saw of him on-screen. He shouldn't have a great deal of difficulty with Dooku's lightning if he can hold Sidious'.

3. Except Wyyrlok wasn't going all out, and his feat of smashing the two pillars is still beyond Dooku.

How do you resist force illusions, like how did Krayt ward off Wyyrlocks illusions.

Also in terms of the force both have great feats, but Dooku is more powerful than Wyyrlock IMO. Dooku was able to incapacitate anakin Skywlaker without going all out. He was able to disable ventress without much effort. He was able to disable Sora Bulq who's species is noted for their physical toughness. So Dooku has some pretty powerful lightning. From what I know Wyyrlocks lightning can match Krayts but is slightly below him. In telekinesis Dooku surpasses Wyyrlock but not by a huge margin as he can do many things without effort such as lift hundreds of pillars without effort, coolapse medium sized chunks of rocks with no effort, force push anakin and obi wan and ventress, break through many force shields of opposing force weilders, and basically be the equal of windu.

Mental willpower/"Force resistance" (the latter being the term for the power used to resist negative dark side effects on the mind).

None of those feats are as good as killing 6 Force sensitives at less than optimal capacity and shattering stone pillars... going to stop repeating myself very soon. And I agree Dooku is the better telekinetic. As I said before though - if Krayt isn't pushing a telekinetic edge over Wyyrlok, Dooku sure as sh*t isn't.

Originally posted by ILS
Mental willpower/"Force resistance" (the latter being the term for the power used to resist negative dark side effects on the mind).

None of those feats are as good as killing 6 Force sensitives at less than optimal capacity and shattering stone pillars... going to stop repeating myself very soon. And I agree Dooku is the better telekinetic. As I said before though - if Krayt isn't pushing a telekinetic edge over Wyyrlok, Dooku sure as sh*t isn't.

I believe it's stated that Krayts power in the force is second to his master dark Krayt. However it being a stalemate I'm not sure anymore. However I do still consider dookus lightning to be the superior of the two. It does show incapacitation, however not on the scale of as many opponents as Krayt. However just because someone else didn't doesn't mean they can't unless they were placed in a situation where they could but didn't. Dooku has successfully taken out 5-10 clone troopers with his own force lightning. Not force sensitives but still.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
I believe it's stated that Krayts power in the force is second to his master dark Krayt. However it being a stalemate I'm not sure anymore.

I guess you're referring to Krayt and Wyyrlok and.. not Krayt vs Krayt? If so.. yes, Krayt is stronger in the Force than Wyyrlok, I accounted for that in my post.

However I do still consider dookus lightning to be the superior of the two. It does show incapacitation, however not on the scale of as many opponents as Krayt. However just because someone else didn't doesn't mean they can't unless they were placed in a situation where they could but didn't. Dooku has successfully taken out 5-10 clone troopers with his own force lightning. Not force sensitives but still.

When did Dooku take out clones, by the way?

Originally posted by ILS
I guess you're referring to Krayt and Wyyrlok and.. not Krayt vs Krayt? If so.. yes, Krayt is stronger in the Force than Wyyrlok, I accounted for that in my post.

I wholeheartedly agree with the underlined sentence - which is why I made the comparison between the effects of their lightning hitting stone. That said it's likely not the most fair comparison since Dooku's feat originated within the movies, which I've already argued to be underwhelming as a source for Force wielders. Still - in general, Wyyrlok's feats with lightning are just better. There's no evidence for Dooku's being better or even equal. It's fair to say Dooku's pretty close, but after enough time spent fighting Dooku's going to come out on the losing end in a lightning battle.

When did Dooku take out clones, by the way?

This is highly speculation but is it to far fetched to say once the lightning goes through Yodas tutaminis it lost some of its strength however still had the capability to make a burn mark. Highly specualtion and does sound foolish but just though I'd ask. As per the movies they like you said make dookus force powers as far as lightning goes, it drastically deminishes, as it's only showed twice in the same movie. However I can agree that they are rather close, but I stick with dooku as he does have powerful showings and aren't I
His force powers per his time period second to only yoda and Sidious while he windu and anakin are on the next level down.

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