Originally posted by carver9
Cain has not displayed the strength Hulk has been shown lately and Professor Hulk nearly dropped Cain with a couple of blows. Bfr isn't needed. Giving this to the Avengers...also, wasn't it said that Magneto doesn't stand a chance against the Hulk recently, and Mags was backed by a team.
Nah.
Originally posted by Stoic
Iron Man can negate Magneto due to tech. He wouldn't even need prep against Magneto, because he already knows how to stop him. Tony's armor is more sophisticated than a Sentinel. This is not Classic Iron Man but the newest iteration of the character. his armor is superior to the tech that he used to hold Magneto off 10+ years ago. Magneto gets shut down.Doc Green doesn't have to get into it with cain, all he would have to do is bfr him into deep space. Skaar easily did this under his advice. Even a less intelligent version of him (Savage Hulk) was able to bfr him.
Classic Thor. This is not unworthy Thor, but the same guy that went on to defeat Glory. Apoc is not winning against a serious Thor capable of harming the Chaos King with his lightning.
Cap won't last long against Sabretooth, but he doesn't have to, because like i said earlier, his partners won't be tied up against their opponents for very long.
Ok Mags is more than good enough to handle Tony. Banner is not bfring Cain, cap can handle creed and thor will have his handful with apoc...happy?
Re: The X-Men Vills -Vs- The Avengers
Originally posted by Supermex
Who wins?
No Prep..
No B.F.R..The X-Men Vills
Cls.Magneto
Cls.Juggernaut
Apocalypse
SabertoothVs
The Avengers
Iron Man
Doc.Green
Cls.Thor
Cls.Cap.America
X-villains.
Iron Mans Anti Magneto tech isnt standard equipment. It was an addition after prep and in anticipation of an X-men conflict. Magneto would wreck Iron Man on average and then provide support for the rest of his team.
Doc Green isnt beating Classic Juggernaut with Juggs shields on top of his virtual invulnerability. Hes strong enough to put a hurting on Hulk and far more invulnerable so in a setting like this where theres no BFR and they have to keep going at it until theres a victor well Classic Juggs stomps after a long drawn out battle.
Due to arguably superior fighting ability and tactical smarts id give Captain America more wins on average against Sabretooth however it would be a long drawn out battle and with other X-villain team members such as Mags able to shield themselves from an onslaught and lend a hand I see Cap as a non factor here.
Thor's the one to watch in this teamup however Apocalypse is a team wrecker and far from a push over. He's displayed on panel strength to overpower base level Hulk so him and Thor would be comparable strength wise, he has crazy durability as well as energy absorption/projection tp and tk and can fly if required. Apocalyspe could arguably tank and absorb some projected lightning and put a hurting on Thor and keep him occupied until he gets further support.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
X-villains.Iron Mans Anti Magneto tech isnt standard equipment. It was an addition after prep and in anticipation of an X-men conflict. Magneto would wreck Iron Man on average and then provide support for the rest of his team.
Doc Green isnt beating Classic Juggernaut with Juggs shields on top of his virtual invulnerability. Hes strong enough to put a hurting on Hulk and far more invulnerable so in a setting like this where theres no BFR and they have to keep going at it until theres a victor well Classic Juggs stomps after a long drawn out battle.
Due to arguably superior fighting ability and tactical smarts id give Captain America more wins on average against Sabretooth however it would be a long drawn out battle and with other X-villain team members such as Mags able to shield themselves from an onslaught and lend a hand I see Cap as a non factor here.
Thor's the one to watch in this teamup however Apocalypse is a team wrecker and far from a push over. He's displayed on panel strength to overpower base level Hulk so him and Thor would be comparable strength wise, he has crazy durability as well as energy absorption/projection tp and tk and can fly if required. Apocalyspe could arguably tank and absorb some projected lightning and put a hurting on Thor and keep him occupied until he gets further support.
You could be correct with the Iron Man Magneto match but you aren't with the Hulk vs Juggernaut.
For one you left out the part that the Hulk grows stronger as time goes by, unless Doc Green reverts to Banner when he gets angrier. I have yet to see this. The Hulk has hurt Juggernaut in the past with a gut punch.
You're giving Apoc the win over Thor? not going to happen. What feats does he have that makes you believe that he's beating Thor for anything resembling a majority? When did Apoc overpower the Hulk without using tech?
The X-Villains lose the majority IMO, because they simply have no answer for Thor's more exotic attacks. Thor fought through Glory's TP. I hope that you aren't suggesting that Apoc is a more powerful TP user than Glory?
Originally posted by Stoic
You could be correct with the Iron Man Magneto match but you aren't with the Hulk vs Juggernaut.
Yep 😉
Originally posted by Stoic
For one you left out the part that the Hulk grows stronger as time goes by, unless Doc Green reverts to Banner when he gets angrier. I have yet to see this. The Hulk has hurt Juggernaut in the past with a gut punch.
How could i fail to consider the most widespread aspect of Hulk's powerset? And yet there is a limit to how angry someone can get. Hulk doesnt get infinitely angrier and angrier. 🙂
Hulk has never beaten Classic Juggernaut by overpowering him. Hulk could only BFR a win against him and thats not allowed in this scenario. With Jugg's shield and his invulnerability there is little Hulk can do to put him down, whereas Juggs can hurt Hulk, Apocalypse can psi blast him into unconscious and then step on Banner.
Originally posted by Stoic
You're giving Apoc the win over Thor? not going to happen. What feats does he have that makes you believe that he's beating Thor for anything resembling a majority? When did Apoc overpower the Hulk without using tech?
I didnt say that at all. Read again. I said Apoc is no pushover and he can hurt Thor and certainly hold his own against him, arguably even win some confrontations. In Incredible Hulk 456 Apocalypse restrained and defeated Hulk. Hes no walk in the park. Class 100 strength, complete control over the atomic structure of his body enabling him to grant himself any physical superpower. Super speed/agility, morph into technology/energy weapons, generate force fields absorb and project energy etc, coupled with his tp/tk he could anticipate Thors movements, react faster than him and land some damaging blows. His force fields and energy absorption abilities, plus his standard nigh invulnerability mean he can withstand a lot of Thors attacks. Apocalypse could at the very least hurt and occupy Thor before getting back up from Magneto
Originally posted by Stoic
The X-Villains lose the majority IMO, because they simply have no answer for Thor's more exotic attacks. Thor fought through Glory's TP. I hope that you aren't suggesting that Apoc is a more powerful TP user than Glory?
Theres a difference between trying to mind control someone/bend them to your will and disabling or knocking them out with a psi blast. Just like theres a difference between trying to physically wrestle someone into submission and simply delivering a knockout sucker punch.
The X-villains have Mags and Apocalypse who can generate force fields for themselves and the team, nothing Thor throws at Juggs can take him out, again he can only be BFR'd which isnt allowed. Thor can try short circuiting Juggs connection to Cytorrak disabling his forcefield but that takes time and if im not mistaken also keeps Thors hammer out of the equation leaving just his fists in which case he's no match for Apocalypse.
The villains can just throw up shields, Apocalypse can psi blast Cap out of the equation, Juggs can go for Hulk, Apocalypse for Thor, Mags would make short work of Iron Man and could then lend a hand to his team mates.
X-villains all the way 🙂