Women Fail Army Ranger Course

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I don't see Gina or Cyborg doing as well as these male MMA fighters or Elite soldiers. These male MMA fighters had a tough time doing these trainings/drills, no where as good as the real Elite soldiers. So how are women supposed to be elite? There are a lot more than just physical aspects. War is not like MMA, not a sport, "men" are trying to kill you that are trained, highly trained and elite trained. This is just not about strength, there are a lot of skills, unknowns as well like ieds in combat, women cannot just think like men in terms of battlefield awareness or other areas.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
To take an isolated example- the US army often has a bit of an obsession with straight bench-press style lifting. You don't actually need to bench-press to fight in combat but there is a vague correlation between that and a person's broader fitness (in a lot of people's opinions, not a very good one, but let's run with it). But that's going to give you the totally wrong result if you use the same benchmark for men and women, because the amount a woman would need to bench press to show she is broadly fit by that correlation is a lot less than a man would need to be able to do. So by applying the same standard, you are actually discriminating against women that could do the job well.

I get what you are saying, but it sounds like this would not be a male/female problem, would it? I mean, wouldn't important factors in deciding what a person should be able to bench press depend more on weight and size, not gender?

Or are you saying even if you had a man and a woman who are identical in weight and size..the benchmark for the woman should still be lower?

Originally posted by The Nuul
This is just not about strength, there are a lot of skills, unknowns as well like ieds in combat, women cannot just think like men in terms of battlefield awareness or other areas.

If anything you could argue that women might actually have superior combat awareness, as biologically men are more prone to tunnel vision while women are more cognizant of their surroundings. Studies show that women have superior sense of smell, superior peripheral vision, superior auditory processing abilities and superior multi-tasking abilities.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
If anything you could argue that women might actually have superior combat awareness, as biologically men are more prone to tunnel vision while women are more cognizant of their surroundings. Studies show that women have superior sense of smell, superior peripheral vision, superior auditory processing abilities and superior multi-tasking abilities.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
If anything you could argue that women might actually have superior combat awareness, as biologically men are more prone to tunnel vision while women are more cognizant of their surroundings. Studies show that women have superior sense of smell, superior peripheral vision, superior auditory processing abilities and superior multi-tasking abilities.

Confused if they are superior to men, why are they not passing the tests.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
If anything you could argue that women might actually have superior combat awareness, as biologically men are more prone to tunnel vision while women are more cognizant of their surroundings. Studies show that women have superior sense of smell, superior peripheral vision, superior auditory processing abilities and superior multi-tasking abilities.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Sure for a woman that goes through basic training received all the same training and then goes into her specialization. Say she did regular grunt infantry which is 11 bravo in the Army. The grunts don't recieve the type of missions Rangers do. Therefore they are not trained the way the Rangers are.

So if the Rangers start lowering standards. What makes them any more specialized then 11Bravos, nothing really.

But now they are going on harder missions.

Where it changes is the elite units. Lowering the standard, lowers the outcome of success. It's not right minded thinking to lower standards based on gender.

The right candidates pass the selection process, then pass the training which is all geaed towards the types of missions they will recieve.

...That wasn't what I asked.

Originally posted by -Pr-
...That wasn't what I asked.

You said is there any way to change it, I explained why there is not.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
You said is there any way to change it, I explained why there is not.

I asked if there was a way to change it while maintaining the highest standards. Not the same thing.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I asked if there was a way to change it while maintaining the highest standards. Not the same thing.

No there isn't. Training evolves and get's harder because so do the enemies tactics. Making it easier will set you back. Why does it need to be changed I might ask? I'm not understanding this.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Confused if they are superior to men, why are they not passing the tests.

That has nothing to do with what he said.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I asked if there was a way to change it while maintaining the highest standards. Not the same thing.

While I see people having issues with the chin ups, those are a massive physical stamina booster and strength. Plus it helps in case they need to pull themselves up somewhere. And the only quantity mentioned is 6...

The only thing that seems unneeded is sit ups. Not that they don't have a benefit, but it's pretty minor compared to everything else.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Because women are physically fragile flowers who can't withstand pain as well as men.

That has nothing to do with what he said.

These women that they sent to Ranger school did not look like fragile flowers.

On another note..

Everyone here is busted who is complaining about sit up's and bench press.

Video flat out says basic physical test is a run, and pushups. No situps or bench press.

The video also says "The women themselves insisted the standard not be lowered to accommodate them."

So the question is why is everyone here saying it should, when they are not even in this program, and the people who are, do not want it lowered.

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Originally posted by Time Immemorial
No there isn't.

That's literally all I wanted to know. You could stop being so damned testy and assuming everyone is having a go at you, you know.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Take away... sit ups?

While I see people having issues with the chin ups, those are a massive physical stamina booster and strength. Plus it helps in case they need to pull themselves up somewhere. And the only quantity mentioned is 6...

The only thing that seems unneeded is sit ups. Not that they don't have a benefit, but it's pretty minor compared to everything else.

Ah. Okay then. Thanks.

Originally posted by -Pr-
That's literally all I wanted to know. You could stop being so damned testy and assuming everyone is having a go at you, you know.

Ah. Okay then. Thanks.

Np wasn't trying to be, really just trying to understand what the up roar is about. Even the women do want the standard changed or lowered. Its one thing if there was a huge out cry of women saying they were being treated unfairly, but it seems the opposite, they have been glad to get the opportunity and want to be treated equally. If there really was a case to be made for un equal rights, lets examine it, but nothing has been claimed or made by anyone other then the people in the thread.

Originally posted by Robtard
Standards should not be lowered, should be the same test/requirements for everyone.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Confused if they are superior to men, why are they not passing the tests.

The question you are begging here is "does the test as it is designed ensure that superiority in the field is favored".

Originally posted by Robtard
Standards should not be lowered, should be the same test/requirements for everyone.