Originally posted by Beniboybling
Key word. Sith. Screams of pain and anguish will only empower them.Maul is not defeating Traya, Sion and an academy of Sith with his abilities hampered and his opponents empowered. Traya could choke him out by herself.
Why would Maul's abilities be hampered? He's a darkside user himself, if anything he too would be empowered and I was referring to just the Academy not Traya.
Originally posted by Zenwolf
Why would Maul's abilities be hampered? He's a darkside user himself, if anything he too would be empowered and I was referring to just the Academy not Traya.
You're missing the point entirely. If you want to say "maul could do what the Exile did," you have to act as if the nexus would hamper him, otherwise he's not doing what she did, he's having a much easier time.
Originally posted by Selenial
You're missing the point entirely. If you want to say "maul could do what the Exile did," you have to act as if the nexus would hamper him, otherwise he's not doing what she did, he's having a much easier time.
He's still killing them all, which is what she did.
But sure let's go with him being hampered, I'm not seeing why he couldn't do it given his level of ability.
Regardless though, I feel this is rather moot as this is a 1 on 1 fight. I feel the two would be closer to sabers than Force ability though. Though TK is closer, but that's it considering Suirk has more Force abilities.
Originally posted by Selenial
It does, if Malachor presents such immeasurable pain that someone has to use the Dark Side to survive, then why does the fact Surik is as far into the light as possible (read: More than even Yoda) not matter?
First, where is this stated? Second, her ability to use the force is completely different then you're average Jedi. I'm not sure why we would assume Malachor is going to hamper her, especially since her own connection to the force is compared to Malachor.
Originally posted by ares834
First, where is this stated? Second, her ability to use the force is completely different then you're average Jedi. I'm not sure why we would assume Malachor is going to hamper her, especially since her own connection to the force is compared to Malachor.
Force Enlightenment. Not to mention she became a force ghost, and thanks to the TCW Arc we know that means she's as fully connected to the light side as possible, and has confronted any inner darkness.
Maybe because all the quotes says it hampered her? 😕
Originally posted by ares834
Which doesn't mean she is more connected to the light than Yoda...What quotes? None of the ones you posted mention her being hampered aside from the gravity.
It does actually, Yoda up until Revenge of the Sith anyway.
Do we really need to go into an argument about how mindset affects a Jedi? And when a planet is described as drowning out life with the Dark side, it's pretty obvious it's not going to be easy to draw on the light.
Originally posted by ares834
Except I never made a definite claim that it doesn't weaken her. You however, made a claim that it does and so I've asked you what evidence do you have. It is not my job to prove a claim I did not make, much less prove a negative.
Originally posted by ares834
No. It really doesn't.Which is where I point out again that her connection to the force is not typical and is described as similar to Malachor.
Actually you did. There are many quotes about Malachor specifically weakening her, and on top of that numerous about Malachor weakening and converting every other Jedi to walk on its surface. No one is asking you to prove a negative, all I'm asking is for you to prove Surik is immune to the effects of Malachor as you're trying so hard to say she is, because your claim is unsubstantiated bias.
Originally posted by Selenial
Actually you did. There are many quotes about Malachor specifically weakening her, and on top of that numerous about Malachor weakening and converting every other Jedi to walk on its surface. No one is asking you to prove a negative, all I'm asking is for you to prove Surik is immune to the effects of Malachor as you're trying so hard to say she is, because your claim is unsubstantiated bias.
No, I never did.
And no, not a single one of your quotes says she is weakened from anything beyond the gravity. What we do know is that she is immune to effects of drain and that her very own connection to the force echoes Malachor. So yeah, sorry if I doubt that something that similar to her is going to weaken her. I need definite proof that it did.
As for falling back on to the bias argument/ad Hominems... Shame. Especially since I did not make such a statement.
Originally posted by NephthysBecause undergoing the most awful and horrific experience of one's life while in physical agony is not going to hamper one's abilities at all?
Saying that Surik wasn't weakened on Malachor when she describes merely being on there as the most awful and horrific experience of her life and that she was in agony suggests a pretty odd definition of weakened.
I think it's obvious her conditions were less than ideal, not that the feat isn't impressive in itself regardless.