Frenzy and Monet vs. Gamora (pre BV upgrade) and Captain Marvel.

Originally posted by StyleTime
I like her. I hate all of you! 😠

I see them now. Let me ask you a question. If you were fighting at least two people and one of them mananged to get you in a choke bar while engaged with another, is that your idea of a loss to one of them?

Also, she still made the statement about going up against a magic wielder, which implies magic was used at some point. If not, the statement makes no sense whatsoever. The author didn't feel it necessary to show the entire confrontation.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
I see them now. Let me ask you a question. If you were fighting at least two people and one of them mananged to get you in a choke bar while engaged with another, is that your idea of a loss to one of them?

Also, she still made the statement about going up against a magic wielder, which implies magic was used at some point. If not, the statement makes no sense whatsoever. The author didn't feel it necessary to show the entire confrontation.

The choke was by surprise, but it indicates a strength discrepancy. Since Monet is limited to melee, these days especially, I think it shows that Amora would wreck her. That seems like it was the intent behind that and Monet resorting to a surprise dive bomb later.

The author did show the entire confrontation though. Amora never used a spell on Monet. If magic was supposed to be Amora's saving grace, they did a terrible job of demonstrating that. It is also possible Monet's pride is causing her to make excuses for her loss. That also fits with the the fact that Amora brags about her strength advantage. Monet might just be a sore loser here.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Let me elaborate on how I see it.

The choke was by surprise, but it is a clear indicator of a strength discrepancy. Since Monet is limited to melee, these days especially, I think it shows that Amora would wreck her. That seems like it was the intent behind that, and Monet resorting to a surprise dive bomb later.

The author did show the entire confrontation though. Amora never used a spell on Monet. If magic was supposed to be Amora's saving grace, they did a terrible job of demonstrating that. It is also possible Monet's pride is causing her to make excuses for her loss.

No, he didn't. How can you say that? That was snapshots of the fight at best, which again involved at least another, if not ther rest of the ladies in the room. You see her diving down with Amora, then all of a sudden Amora is up standing in the shadows while Monet continues to fight another opponent. And again, why does she mention she needs to be better going up against a magic wielder? This is a lady with a 196 IQ making this statement. I believe magic was used, if not simply to teleport. And I think it was depicted terribly if the purpose was to show exactly how the fight went down, but I don't think it was. This fight was part of a was a story.

By the way, how are you ignoring the FACT that Monet severely injured Amora, didn't injure herself and said inches from her face that she was holding back, then Amora calls her a goddess? That all for show?

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
No, he didn't. How can you say that? That was snapshots of the fight at best, which again involved at least another, if not ther rest of the ladies in the room. You see her diving down with Amora, then all of a sudden Amora is up standing in the shadows while Monet continues to fight another opponent. And again, why does she mention she needs to be better going up against a magic wielder? This is a lady with a 196 IQ making this statement. I believe magic was used, if not simply to teleport. And I think it was depicted terribly if the purpose was to show exactly how the fight went down, but I don't think it was. This fight was part of a was a story.

By the way, how are you ignoring the FACT that Monet severaly injured Amora, didn't injure herself and said inches from her fact that she was holding back, then Amora calls her a goddess? That all for show?

I didn't. I pointed out that it was a surprise dive bomb from the sky, since many were taking it to mean that she just beat Amora up. Amora already demonstrated a strength superiority, so I don't blame her for that move.

Originally posted by StyleTime
I say that because comics don't depict every breath inhaled for a character. Monet and Amora rolled in from the crash landing while Yuriko ran at them. By the time Yuriko got there, they were back to their feet. Monet dodged Yuriko's sword, then Amora choked Monet to death. That is what the panels indicate. We can't make assumptions about spells casted.

I didn't. I pointed out that it was a surprise dive bomb from the sky, since many were taking it to mean that she just beat Amora up. Amora already demonstrated a strength superiority, so I don't blame her for that move.

No, she didn't demonstrate anything but a sneak attack. A weaker opponent can choke out a stronger one. Plus is stupid for Amora to beat any opponent with a choke bar. The writing is shit.

Also, you didn't address how is Amora is the stronger character, how Monet was unharmed from the dive bomb and Amora was ****ed up. Even when Sentry divebombed Blue Marvel, he was hurt in the process. And you haven't given a counter to Monet's claim that she was holding back and threaten to **** up Amora worse if she twitches.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
No, she didn't demonstrate anything but a sneak attack. A weaker opponent can choke out a stronger one. Plus is stupid for Amora to beat any opponent with a choke bar. The writing is shit.

Also, you didn't address how is Amora is the stronger character, how Monet was unharmed from the dive bomb and Amora was ****ed up. Even when Sentry divebombed Blue Marvel, he was hurt in the process. And you haven't given a counter to Monet's claim that she was holding back and threaten to **** up Amora worse if she twitches.

Monet dive bombed her. It's understandable that Amora took more damage in the process. That was enough to **** Amora up where she couldn't fight back. I don't see what the problem is.

It was obviously a Spell of Choking. Amora just tried to make it look like she did it physically but she couldn't fool Monet.

Originally posted by StyleTime
I did address her strength advantage, which is supported by the dialogue. Amora isn't some crazy skilled martial artist. That was her just being stronger, as she said.

Monet dive bombed her. It's understandable that Amora took more damage in the process. That was enough to **** Amora up where she couldn't fight back. I don't see what the problem is.

How do you explain the fact that Monet said she was holding back? It seems you are accepting the parts of the dialogue you want to and rejecting the ones you don't. By the way, Amora didn't take "more" damage, she took all of the damage. Monet was completely unharmed and could have killed her at that point.

At best the depiction was contradictory.

Originally posted by Magnon
It was obviously a Spell of Choking. Amora just tried to make it look like she did it physically but she couldn't fool Monet.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
How do you explain the fact that Monet said she was holding back? It seems you are accepting the parts of the dialogue you want to and rejecting the ones you don't. By the way, Amora didn't take "more" damage, she took all of the damage. Monet was completely unharmed and could have killed her at that point.

At best the depiction was contradictory.

No, I accept that she held back during the dive bomb. I just think the attack was much more amped than you think it was. Like, she was coming in at 300% and dialed it back to 200%. Either way, she can only do that via surprise dive bomb. Monet's offensive output is much lower in a straight fight, and Amora is capable of overpowering her.

I don't see the contradiction. Amora can be stronger and still lose to a Stratosphere Dive Attack.

Originally posted by StyleTime
😂

We should really just make an Amora vs Monet thread lol.

No, I accept that she held back during the dive bomb. I just think the attack was much more amped than you think it was. Like, she was coming in at 300% and dialed it back to 200%. Either way, she can only do that via surprise dive bomb. Monet's offensive output is much lower in a straight fight, and Amora is capable of overpowering her.

I don't see the contradiction. Amora can be stronger and still lose to a Stratosphere Dive Attack.

Lol, that's creative. So your interpretation of her statement that she was holding back meant that she meant she could have flown faster? That sounds utterly ridiculous my friend. Any time anyone says they are holding back it's the author indicating one character was powerful enough to merc the other.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Lol, that's creative. So your interpretation of her statement that she was holding back meant that she meant she could have flown faster? That sounds utterly ridiculous my friend. Any time anyone says they are holding back it's the author indicating one character was powerful enough to merc the other.

She comes in with a suprise dive bomb days later and wins. What exactly is the problem again?

BAV is just terrible at this.