The edit doesn't work right, but here's the little snippet again, hope it works
We don't know the entirety of Dolezal's story, and we will likely learn more. If it's troubling, it's at least partly because it feels like Dolezal is adopting the culture without carrying the burdens. And with the fake father and the fake children, it seems like she's deceiving people for the sake of an a la carte blackness, in which you take the best parts, and leave the pain aside.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
The point of minority scholarships is to ensure that disadvantaged groups are given opportunities. Even if white people become the minority in America, whites will still be relatively better off if economic trends hold, so it wouldn't be the same thing.
Exactly.
Which is why there are no jew scholarships.
Well now we come to more bizarre things though. It seems that you can only become a trans..whatever, if you're taking on some kind of burden? It's bad for her to say she is black because she isn't taking on that burden(though chick has had nooses left on her damn door, I know plenty of black people who have never had that). Admittedly it is probably less to do with just being black and more "you are black and in the NAACP".
So what about a white female woman who decides to become a man? Or that she is a man? White men don't really suffer burdens in this country. Yet is it any less legit? Or even to look at Caitlyn Jenner, I'm sure she will have to deal with burdens from being TRANSGENDER, but she didn't grow up with the same burdens most females do.
Originally posted by Surtur
Well now we come to more bizarre things though. It seems that you can only become a trans..whatever, if you're taking on some kind of burden? It's bad for her to say she is black because she isn't taking on that burden(though chick has had nooses left on her damn door, I know plenty of black people who have never had that). Admittedly it is probably less to do with just being black and more "you are black and in the NAACP".So what about a white female woman who decides to become a man? Or that she is a man? White men don't really suffer burdens in this country. Yet is it any less legit? Or even to look at Caitlyn Jenner, I'm sure she will have to deal with burdens from being TRANSGENDER, but she didn't grow up with the same burdens most females do.
Exactly I said the same thing.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
People are just jealous.Some white people are born black, just like some males are born female, like Jenner. I don't see the big deal.
Meh. As a black man, I find what she is doing to be stupid and unintentionally offensive and counter productive, and entirely unrelated to LGBT issues. The fight against racism hinges on the concept that race is an irrelevant social concept and all people have inherent egalitarian value regardless of how much melatonin is in your skin.
Gender and race are entirely different. A man wishing to be a woman is practically desiring an entirely new chemical make up and "reproductive" organ system. Wanting to be another race though, is just retarded counterproductive thinking. You shouldn't "feel black", because objectively, all races are equal since the concept of race is again meaningless. By desiring to be a different race, you aren't preaching equality, you are unwittingly acknowledging that there is an objective inequality between races, which defeats the entire purpose of the fight for equal rights for all.
This woman is well intentioned, but very stupid, and may have possibly set a dangerous precedent. I can understand admiring black culture, but lying about undergoing struggles stereotypical of blacks and posing as black to get a scholarship like a female Soul Man seems a bit extreme and arguably unintentionally racist. If she really wanted to feel equal to blacks, it involves not seeing an objective difference between black and white and not seeing race as a barrier, which she clearly did since she felt she had to change herself and lie to overcome it.
It's like trying to ally with the Chinese government by posing as Fu Manchu. It just defeats the purpose.
Now your discriminating against what people feel though right?
Yes she lied, like much of the rest of the world does when they try and get something they want. Enlisting before the age of 18, lying about income to receive food stamps and welfare, claiming dependents that are not your own, claiming a different address to put your child in a different school.
Color is skin deep. Where is male and female is completely different.
If a person identifies as black, so be it.
And literally she has not done anything counterproductive, she's helped the cause.
You can't simply "identify" as black though. Because "Black" is a long history of struggle and hardship that stands to this day. Things she can't claim as a white woman. You can't just equate race and gender because the concept of being one thing and feeling another are the same. All it takes to become a different gender technically is surgery and hormone pills. And even then, you're still not truly a different gender. You just look and feel different. A woman who became a man can't impregnate another woman. A man who became a woman can't give birth.
You can't just be another race. I can't just bleach my skin, put on a blond wig and call myself white. I don't magically gain all the privilege white people have in the US. I won't suddenly stop being profiled and harassed.
It doesn't work that way. It just doesn't. And on top of all that, the way she went about it is just wrong. She basically lied to everyone and put on a very dedicated black face for a few years.
Originally posted by KingD19Look at this trans-racist.
You can't simply "identify" as black though. Because "Black" is a long history of struggle and hardship that stands to this day. Things she can't claim as a white woman. You can't just equate race and gender because the concept of being one thing and feeling another are the same. All it takes to become a different gender technically is surgery and hormone pills. And even then, you're still not truly a different gender. You just look and feel different. A woman who became a man can't impregnate another woman. A man who became a woman can't give birth.You can't just be another race. I can't just bleach my skin, put on a blond wig and call myself white. I don't magically gain all the privilege white people have in the US. I won't suddenly stop being profiled and harassed.
It doesn't work that way. It just doesn't. And on top of all that, the way she went about it is just wrong. She basically lied to everyone and put on a very dedicated black face for a few years.
Originally posted by Lestov16
Meh. As a black man, I find what she is doing to be stupid and unintentionally offensive and counter productive, and entirely unrelated to LGBT issues. The fight against racism hinges on the concept that race is an irrelevant social concept and all people have inherent egalitarian value regardless of how much melatonin is in your skin.Gender and race are entirely different. A man wishing to be a woman is practically desiring an entirely new chemical make up and "reproductive" organ system. Wanting to be another race though, is just retarded counterproductive thinking. You shouldn't "feel black", because objectively, all races are equal since the concept of race is again meaningless. By desiring to be a different race, you aren't preaching equality, you are unwittingly acknowledging that there is an objective inequality between races, which defeats the entire purpose of the fight for equal rights for all.
This woman is well intentioned, but very stupid, and may have possibly set a dangerous precedent. I can understand admiring black culture, but lying about undergoing struggles stereotypical of blacks and posing as black to get a scholarship like a female Soul Man seems a bit extreme and arguably unintentionally racist. If she really wanted to feel equal to blacks, it involves not seeing an objective difference between black and white and not seeing race as a barrier, which she clearly did since she felt she had to change herself and lie to overcome it.
It's like trying to ally with the Chinese government by posing as Fu Manchu. It just defeats the purpose.
I have to agree with a lot of that to one degree or another. Gender and race, completely different.
Fu Manchu, evil genius.
In this new world where we praise a guy for becoming a girl, can we really also then sit back and say "you can be a man who becomes a woman, but not a white woman who becomes a black woman".
I'm not saying gender and race are the same, but I'm saying what gives us the right to draw that line? But then see..we obviously do need a line drawn. What happens when some crazy f*ck begins self identifying as a lion or a horse or something?
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Now your discriminating against what people feel though right?Yes she lied, like much of the rest of the world does when they try and get something they want. Enlisting before the age of 18, lying about income to receive food stamps and welfare, claiming dependents that are not your own, claiming a different address to put your child in a different school.
Color is skin deep. Where is male and female is completely different.
If a person identifies as black, so be it.
And literally she has not done anything counterproductive, she's helped the cause.
Originally posted by Surturhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species_dysphoria
In this new world where we praise a guy for becoming a girl, can we really also then sit back and say "you can be a man who becomes a woman, but not a white woman who becomes a black woman".I'm not saying gender and race are the same, but I'm saying what gives us the right to draw that line? But then see..we obviously do need a line drawn. What happens when some crazy f*ck begins self identifying as a lion or a horse or something?