The book makes it clear that he stomped him:
Dooku saw only an electric haze instead of Skywalker.
Dooku felt like a weak old man getting hit with the force of a meteor.
Dooku admitted Anakin was the best Form V duelist he'd seen.
Dooku also admits total inferiority.
Mace later concludes that Anakin may well be the most powerful Jedi alive after doing what he couldn't.
Anakin trashed Dooku as soon as it became 1 vs 1.
Originally posted by AncientPower
The book makes it clear that he stomped him:Dooku saw only an electric haze instead of Skywalker.
Dooku felt like a weak old man getting hit with the force of a meteor.
Dooku admitted Anakin was the best Form V duelist he'd seen.
Dooku also admits total inferiority.
Mace later concludes that Anakin may well be the most powerful Jedi alive after doing what he couldn't.Anakin trashed Dooku as soon as it became 1 vs 1.
Lol I guess Anakin > Yoda confirmed.
He saw an "electric blue haze" because he was reaching the point of exhaustion, Anakin was calling deeper on the force to kill him hence why it said he was spending lavishly just fending him off. Anakin had to call on his reserves to kill him because Dooku is a formidable duelist not because he is a weak old man, he isn't Darth Bane lol
Your view that Anakin dominated Dooku is flawed. The entire duel before then was basically Dooku holding the two off and then taking out Kenobi then fighting Anakin and then kicking him. He then held off Anakin and was basically winning until Dokku used Dun Moch. Even then Dooku was able to hold Anakins assault off and was even smiling during one of those points. So whatever the outcome it wasn't a stomp, it was a defeat for Dooku yes but certainly not a stomp as if Dooku would have kept his mouth shut Dooku would have killed Anakin.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Anakin is faster and better than Vader, nothing Vader has done compares to stomping Dooku.
He is faster but better not so sure. Vader is more experienced, and has more styles at his disposal and each is refined to the point of almost perfection as he would need to sense he can't just rely on raw skill anymore. Also Vader has learned from his mistakes as Anakin while Anakin will have to live through those mistakes. Vader can withstand Anakins assault as Dooku was able to and he is much weaker than Anakin in terms of physical strength so Vader would be able to push him back. His weapon is also better than Anakins as it has a dual blade function.
Originally posted by AncientPower
The book makes it clear that he stomped him:Dooku saw only an electric haze instead of Skywalker.
Dooku felt like a weak old man getting hit with the force of a meteor.
Dooku admitted Anakin was the best Form V duelist he'd seen.
Dooku also admits total inferiority.
Mace later concludes that Anakin may well be the most powerful Jedi alive after doing what he couldn't.Anakin trashed Dooku as soon as it became 1 vs 1.
Well that just remarks how fast Anakin was moving.
Describing Anakins strength and also do we need to bring in other duels with those two.
Doesn't mean he was stomped just regarding that he is the best practioner of that form
He would never do that and based on feats he isn't inferior to Anakin in any way.
In terms of raw power he is and would have become the most powerful being ever but really that statement is wrong as yoda and possibly mace and even Dooku are more powerful than Anakin. Think about it. If Anakin couldn't get passed Obi wan he would be dominated by Dooku in the Force.
Have you even read the novel? Dooku gets destroyed as soon as it becomes a 1 vs 1, he can't keep up in either speed nor strength and was drawing heavily on the Force so as not to simply have his body fail him during the very short exchange.
Also bringing up any TCW fights is largely irrelevant as we know ROTS is Anakin's prime. Mace Windu admits that Anakin is the most powerful for having the ability to kill Dooku where himself and Yoda failed.
Obi-Wan Kenobi was his master and knew his fighting style inside and out, furthermore that combined with his Soresu mastery and the environment was all that kept Kenobi in the game. Put it in a more hospitable environment and Vader likely wins.
Nick Gillard put it well when he said Kenobi was a tier 8 and Vader had jumped up to a tier 9 due to the dark side, but because he hadn't taken the time to truly master his skills that put him in trouble and caused his loss.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Have you even read the novel? Dooku gets destroyed as soon as it becomes a 1 vs 1, he can't keep up in either speed nor strength and was drawing heavily on the Force so as not to simply have his body fail him during the very short exchange.Also bringing up any TCW fights is largely irrelevant as we know ROTS is Anakin's prime. Mace Windu admits that Anakin is the most powerful for having the ability to kill Dooku where himself and Yoda failed.
Obi-Wan Kenobi was his master and knew his fighting style inside and out, furthermore that combined with his Soresu mastery and the environment was all that kept Kenobi in the game. Put it in a more hospitable environment and Vader likely wins.
Nick Gillard put it well when he said Kenobi was a tier 8 and Vader had jumped up to a tier 9 due to the dark side, but because he hadn't taken the time to truly master his skills that put him in trouble and caused his loss.
Yea and he seemed to be keeping up. Movies are the greater source of cannon. Movies is the better depiction. However again if Dooku would have just kept his mouth shut Dooku would have won.
Not really as they show that Dooku wa always the superior duelist even up to the last duel as seen Ho he was able to take on Anakin and Obi wan and keep them back and defeating them. Windu also said Sora Bulqs application of Vaapad was slightly below his own and then he changed it. Also yoda didn't fail anywhere. He dominated the fight with Dooku in AOTC and didn't he defeat a Vjun amped Dooku aswell? So with that not defeating Dooku means you are the most powerful Jedi? Dooku isn't the most powerful guy in the myths even of that time. Sidious and Yoda are and both are better than Dooku.
Again feeding into the Vader win as he knows Anakins style inside out better than anyone else being him only the more sophisticated, stronger, advanced skill set.
Exactly, he jumped to a tier 9 due to the dark side. So with that you admit there was an amp that put his skill above his normal levles.
Yet the ROTS novel makes it clear the outcome would have been the same regardless.
Except Vader is nowhere near KenobI in Soresu.
That isn't an amp it's called corruption and happened well after Dooku lost.
LFL states Vader has nowhere near the skill of his younger self, highest canon > legends statements.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Yet the ROTS novel makes it clear the outcome would have been the same regardless.Except Vader is nowhere near KenobI in Soresu.
That isn't an amp it's called corruption and happened well after Dooku lost.
LFL states Vader has nowhere near the skill of his younger self, highest canon > legends statements.
In both novel and movie Dooku lost but if he would have kept his mouth shut, Dooku would have won as he had kenobi down and was keeping up with Anakin easily and Anakin looked like he was having some trouble Dooku when they were in a blade lock.
He doesn't need to be in soresu when he has six other styles at his command and knows basically every weakness of Anakins style since he is the older version of Anakin.
It's called he got better out of no where which is aka an amp.
Well I've learned that just because someone says something without the feats to prove it, it means nothing. Why would his lightsaber prowess decline. Only his combat speed would be affected really. His strength would increase due to suit and would thus increase his performance with Djem So. He has way more experience than Anakin and knows his weaknesses as well as strengths. So maybe his force powers would decline but as per their skills with the blade Vader would be the winner. He has more styles, he is more experienced, knows Anakins weaknesses, has compensated for the weakness of his suit, has better durability and stamina, has the better weapon, is stronger, has matched and defeated faster duelist.
Originally posted by Angelalex242
Anyways, Mace is more likely to square off against Vader, where Vapaad and Shatterpoint serve him best.Hence my scenario of
Mace==Vader
Anakin>Dooku
Maul>=Obi WanAnd Anakin finishes Dooku first, and can proceed to mop up Maul and/or his older self.
I don't know why but I just go by like how the person order them
So I put Vader vs Kenobi, Maul vs Anakin, and Mace vs Dooku.
however if I had to get creative with it I would keep Dooku vs Mace which would last forever, maul vs Obi Wan and Anakin vs Vader.
Well, even if it were Vader vs. Kenobi, Kenobi can hold out a shockingly long time. Vader will win, but no more can he say 'your powers are weak old man...' as this is basically the Kenobi that beat him on Mustafar. And Soresu will ensure Obi Wan doesn't get to his 'strike me down' line before help arrives.
It's actually one of the worst case scenarios for Vader, as Maul and Dooku will quickly get mopped up by Anakin and Mace.
We also have to look at it this way. Kenobi himself admits that if Anakin wasn't so arrogant he would have won and he admits that Anakin was the better sword master. Vader IMO only got better and more experienced and isn't nearly as arrogant and can also just ragdoll kenobi. Dooku and Mace will last forever so that would leave a vader vs Anakin in which Vader would win and both Dooku and Mace would be exhausted and since mace is outnumbered and thus out powered he would be defeated. So having kenobi as the weak link is why the jedi lose.