Originally posted by Darth Demenos
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how does he win by default? neither team fights like lets say the roman army where they have to use battle formations to win. i have read the legacy series and i never saw the OS use really any type of tavtics when fighting large groups. like when they attacked ossus, when the sith actually got on the ground they just ran in there and started fighting.............with stormtroopers.
Keep in mind, we largely saw the end of the battle at the late stages, where Kol and Sazen were defending the evacuation transport, and it really did look like Kol Skywalker might've been close to the last Jedi standing. And yes, they had stormies, but we also saw plenty of just sith on jedi fighting. We saw a group attacking Kol in a coordinated manner.
To use an example I already brought up, the five who ambushed Shado Vao and Wolf Sazen on Kessel also showed coordination and skill.
Or the attack against Emperor Fel and his party of Imperial Knights, for a group vs group battle.
Stryfe, Azard, Nihl, they're all military leaders. All of the One Sith are trained to follow orders. Sith are attached to infantry divisions and follow directs along with them. And we see One Sith fight together in groups all the time.
We regularly see groups of sith lead by a higher ranking sith and following their orders. They have a basic level of organization with units they have experience with, are used to following orders, have worked together with very large groups of these units, and know what they're doing.
i doubt the OS would be trained to fight with tactics like a normal army bc they are not and are not necessarily intended to be a traditional army bc they are supposed to rule the glaxy as a group and their individuals would probably be trained in battle tactics but trained to lead stormtrooper squads and battalions and fleets etc... and from everything i have seen they are trained like the old sith with every individual having his/her own master after they learned the basics
Not a normal gun-wielding armor, but a force user army, to be sure. They fought in battle against several thousand Jedi.
Some lead stormies and similar, but deployments of groups of sith are common.
And note how someone with experience leading Stormtroopers in battles at least has real battlefield experience. Most Inquisitors may order some troopers around, but have never done anything large-scale with them or had to worry about tactics or even enemy units, just 'shoot that person while I go after them' or such. The Rebels Inquisitor left leading troops entirely to the actual military officer.
if they are all serving sidious, they would not necessarily still be clinging to their old groups, i doubt sidious would let them do that, bc they would form ties and possibly try to overthrow him. sidious is without a doubt one of the smartest individuals in the star wars universe.they would most likey be intermingled all through the large group.
That's even worse! Now instead of at least fighting alongside people who fight similarly and they know, fellow nightsisters, Lost Tribe, Inquisitors, and such, they're next to people who they don't know the fighting style of and need to improvise with.
It's one thing to not know what the next unit over will do, it's quite another to be in a mish-mash unit.
Sidious is smart, but he's not a military command, he's always used other for that (like, Vader, for an obvious). Even so, he should know full well that mixing the people up without coherency training is just going to create problems.
What's needed isn't how they're set up, it's training in how to fight in battles.
and i believe the people in the sith army would do the same thing as a OS team would against a group of jedi..........individuals would fight individuals.
One Sith do group attacks all the time. Whether they're several piling on one (Kol Skywalker, Antares Draco), or a group all coordinating their attacks on multiple targets, they work together.
Heck, when fighting a powerful foe, Celeste Morne with the Muur talisman, Krayt brought in Maladi to combine their force powers even though he already had the edge.
plus if there were the same amount of people side they theoretically would not be able to over power them bc they would have the same amountof people as you do....
If that was true, there'd be no need for generals.
No, in a battle like this, how you maneuver lets you put more of your fighters against fewer of theirs, put your strong troops against their weak, deny their strong troops opportunity to engage your vulnerabilities, and so on.
Way back in the war of the Jedi vs the Legion of Lettow, the numbers were similar but it was specifically the Jedi's better coordination and willingness to work together rather than fight as individuals that won the day.
........but no one really knows how many would be on each side bc it is never specified in the stories.
The writer of legacy says perhaps as much as ten thousand One Sith.
Most of the force organizations under Palpatine, we know their numbers at least in rough. The Inquisitors have sometimes been described as having 'dozens' of lesser inquisitors, so under a hundred is a fair bet. Dark Side Elite, 9. And so on. None of them are numerous, because that's the point, Sidious wants a bundle of small organizations that are no real threat to him and each specialized in what they do. So he didn't make a big dark side order and he kept the ones he did have weak.
Nightsisters and Lost Tribe, less-so... but neither ever deployed as many numbers, at least. The Lost Tribe outnumber the NJO they fought, but the NJO only had 800 Jedi at the time. The Nightsisters are somewhat kept in check by the light side tribes.
i do agree that the OS have more skilled fighters, not necessarily experienced fighters bc i doubt most of them have actully fought a jedi or an imperial knight. im pretty sure most of them have only had to deal with stormtroopers and republic soldiers.
They did take out a whole half the Jedi order, thousands of Jedi, and engaged in a purge for the next eight years.
They may not all individually have fought Jedi, but most leaders of small groups of Sith have likely faced Jedi, and there is a lot of institutional experience against other force user. I.e. even if you're a sith who hasn't fought a Jedi, you know and train with other sith who have.
its kinda like basketball one man takes on one man and if he can he helps out his teammate if his teammate needs hekp but he stilll has to deal with the guy he is supposed to guard. this is the way it would go down to me.
It *is* a lot like basketball.
You know the Dream Team? The famous, Olympic team with Michael Jordan, Charles Barkley, Magic Johnson, and so on?
In training, they lost a match to a college team.
See, the coach knew that his players were absurdly talented, the worst on their squad being better than just about anyone else, and felt they didn't need to practice together as a result.
Soooo he decided to give them bad orders. Have the wrong people guarding the wrong members of the opposition. When they adjusted, make substitutions so they'd be thrown off their game again. Badly timed time outs. That sort of thing.
And the most talented basketball team that had ever existed in the world up to that point lost to a team that couldn't beat any pro squad with any individual dream team member on it.
As a result, the players got the message, practiced together, got coordinated with their talented people, and became untouchable.
That is how this is like basketball.
Now, keep in mind that aside from the lack of training together, meaning they're similarly lack coordination, a lot of the members of Sidious's army are just less trained period, or trained for very specific not-battle conditions.... the One Sith is the equivalent of pro teams. The Lost Tribe a college team, the Nightsisters some small groups of players, while many of the others have only played one on one, if that.
but the sith army is in no way push overs as a whole. they could at least hold their ground until palpatine destroyed them,
Oh, like Angelalex242, as long as Sidious has force storms, it's like a halfassed army with a nuke.
It doesn't matter if the One Sith are a better army if Sidious can take out hundreds and hundreds every time he drops a storm, and he can do so whereever the OS are strongest, scattering forces and making martial skill and coordination really not matter too much.
The Palpatine army is an uncoordinated mass of two large groups and a dozen smaller ones, that cannot hope to win on their own, but can hold while force storms are dropped and do the job.
No force storms, then the individual badassness of the likes of Vader can't turn the tide, because there'll be too much disadvantage in the rank and file, too little coordination, and that'll give the One Sith way too much number advantage.
Even the likes of Vader will be tired by dozens of foes before having to take on, say, Wyyrlock, Saarai, Havoc, and a dozen lesser sith masters at the same time. And so on, and because there is such a basic difference in general coordination and battlefield ability, the One Sith will have that much number to send against the badasses and keep some of their strongest fresh.