Originally posted by carver9
Lol...Majestic isn't that great at all. He get crushed here.
Majestros doesn't have to enter Warrior Madness like The Blonde Whore to deal with Banner.
From the onset team 1 is overwhelmed by superior strength, speed and skill. Banner is saved for last where Majestic grants him peace and ends his life.
You're lucky I'm not granting Majestic any blades here either.
Originally posted by Stoic
Maul maybe, but Pitt has shown that he was high Herald. I don't know how team 2 even puts him down TBH. But, then again my opinion stems mainly from his comic series, and how Keown portrayed him. have you read Pitt's main series?
yea and you're reaching. do i like pitt? yes. do i feel he's on the level? no. wwh is fine but pitt n maul are no wwh. they'd mix it up but they aren't helping banner out in the slightest. team one gets spammed and stomped hulk cant carry this team solo. give him a brick with moderate aoe like marvel or better durability like classic marko and ud have a fight
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Majestros doesn't have to enter Warrior Madness like The Blonde Whore to deal with Banner.From the onset team 1 is overwhelmed by superior strength, speed and skill. Banner is saved for last where Majestic grants him peace and ends his life.
You're lucky I'm not granting Majestic any blades here either.
The Hulk ramped up instantaneously, Majestic would be. Crushed by him if he went berserk. WW Hulk was simply on a physically higher level, and he held back the entire time. his is something that you should know by now. It's even written.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
yea and you're reaching. do i like pitt? yes. do i feel he's on the level? no. wwh is fine but pitt n maul are no wwh. they'd mix it up but they aren't helping banner out in the slightest. team one gets spammed and stomped hulk cant carry this team solo. give him a brick with moderate aoe like marvel or better durability like classic marko and ud have a fight
No. I'm not reaching. You have a point with Maul, but Maul is not even close to Pitt in terms of power. WW Hulk isn't a High Herald either, he's above that level. He was written on panel to be more powerful than ever, and he held back the entire time. When Pitt defeated Supreme, he actually defeated a character as powerful as Image comics Thor with little difficulty. This same level of power gave Supreme a difficult time. Galan opened my eyes to exactly how powerful Supreme used to be, because in his latest showings he was operating at his original levels. These were levels that were slightly above Majestic's levels. It's very difficult to compare Supreme to Thor, and Beta Ray Bill because they aren't from the same company, but Pitt was compared to Merged Hulk, who was easily Mid-High Herald in terms of strength, and the guys that he could, and actually did go toe to toe against. Merged Hulk went at it against Thor in the arctic, and he was doing pretty good from what I recall.
You see, what Galan opened my eyes up to, was the popularity of the main two comic universes (DC/Marvel) in comparison to the popularity of independent comic universes. His point was, that even though these companies aren't as big, does not mean that they don't have characters that could compete with the more popular characters from Marvel and DC. Some would actually outright beat the crap out of many popular Marvel and DC characters. If someone said that Spawn at his most powerful had the power to defeat Odin, most people would scram foul, and never agree with it. However Spawn may have been powerful enough to do just that.
When Pitt met Merged Hulk, he jobbed. He didn't fight anywhere near his potential, so I while i do agree that Pitt was no Green Scar, a lot of the characters at the Herald level weren't either. Especially when you consider that he was holding back. Even when he took that famous foot step that nearly sank the Eastern Seaboard, he was in fact still holding back. When did Thor, or Beta Ray Bill ever show that kind of casual strength? Thor's hands were full with Merged Hulk who was written to be far inferior to the Green Scar.So what we have to do is a proper comparison instead of people jumping out of their respective bushes, nd screaming stomp. I know that Pitt defeated a creature that said that he killed Image comics God's, and raped that universe's Angels, while sitting on a throne surrounded by millions of skulls and skeletons that he had devoured. I agree with one thing though, maul does not belong here. i would have used Mighty Man, or Invincible.
@Sin/ I also have to bring up the point that Thor, Bill, and majestic don't fight the way that you described that they would. They never fly up in the air, and spam blast the battlefield. In character they get up in their opponents faces, and go at it with them in that fashion. You can't argue how you would fight them, because i could simply argue that the land locked crew, could tunnel below Earth, and lock onto the fliers, and launch boulders that size of states at them. This is not how they fight though.
Originally posted by Stoic
@Sin/ I also have to bring up the point that Thor, Bill, and majestic don't fight the way that you described that they would. They never fly up in the air, and spam blast the battlefield. In character they get up in their opponents faces, and go at it with them in that fashion. You can't argue how you would fight them, because i could simply argue that the land locked crew, could tunnel below Earth, and lock onto the fliers, and launch boulders that size of states at them. This is not how they fight though.
Majestros is far faster than any of the combatants on team one. Given his mentality he is more than willing to go for the kill from the start.
Maul isn't withstanding that onslaught, neither is Pitt.
That leaves Majestic vs World War Hulk. Banner has never faced an opponent quite like this.
Equal combat experience to Thor with greater strength, speed, and intellect.
A superior Gladiator without the baggage.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Majestros is far faster than any of the combatants on team one. Given his mentality he is more than willing to go for the kill from the start.Maul isn't withstanding that onslaught, neither is Pitt.
That leaves Majestic vs World War Hulk. Banner has never faced an opponent quite like this.
Equal combat experience to Thor with greater strength, speed, and intellect.
A superior Gladiator without the baggage.
Wait what are you talking about? Majestic has been hit many, many, many times by characters that are just as fast as Pitt, and WW Hulk. You're telling us how you would fight these guys, but we see it over, and over, and over again that these super fast supposedly impossible to hit characters are hit over, and over, and over again. Look at Gladiator. He was, and is much faster than Annihilus, but look at how that went. Look at how the Hulk hit Gladiator, look at how the Hulk hit the Sentry. They just don't fight the way that you say that they do on average. You're arguing power set right now, I'm arguing character, and their averages. Another thing that you don't seem to understand, is that Pitt is not a softie. Maul may be, but Pitt isn't. The more Majestic hits him, the worse off it would become for him. Pitt would lock onto Majectic and cut him to pieces. Majestic is squishy. This is not Superman that you are talking about, and it is what separates them. Superman is stronger, and more durable than Majestic. While Makestic occupied the same Image Universe that Pitt did, Pitt was described as being capable of taking on the most powerful beings in that very same Image Universe. This was when he was compared to his brother Wroth, one of the few characters in that very same Image universe capable of harming Pitt. It's no wonder either, because Wroth was nearly identical in terms of physiology to Pitt.
Another thing that you don't realize is that Pitt was created like his brother to be a doomsday weapon. He was created to be dropped on any given planet and destroy all life therein. Some of the races that he exterminated were populated by super human races. I also have to say it again. Pitt was mostly seen in his first, and second forms, because the more that he is damaged the more that he changes to genetically match his father Zoyvod, and the less he genetically resembled his human mother. At one point he was so far gone, that they feared that he wouldn't be able to revert back to his base form. Zoyvod would rape Majestic. WW Hulk would crucify him. This is based on the fact that WW Hulk was able to take internal hits from a being capable of hitting with the force of 135 Herc's. That force would kill Majestic.
Originally posted by Stoic
Wait what are you talking about? Majestic has been hit many, many, many times by characters that are just as fast as Pitt, and WW Hulk. You're telling us how you would fight these guys, but we see it over, and over, and over again that these super fast supposedly impossible to hit characters are hit over, and over, and over again. Look at Gladiator. He was, and is much faster than Annihilus, but look at how that went. Look at how the Hulk hit Gladiator, look at how the Hulk hit the Sentry. They just don't fight the way that you say that they do on average. You're arguing power set right now, I'm arguing character, and their averages. Another thing that you don't seem to understand, is that Pitt is not a softie. Maul may be, but Pitt isn't. The more Majestic hits him, the worse off it would become for him. Pitt would lock onto Majectic and cut him to pieces. Majestic is squishy. This is not Superman that you are talking about, and it is what separates them. Superman is stronger, and more durable than Majestic. While Makestic occupied the same Image Universe that Pitt did, Pitt was described as being capable of taking on the most powerful beings in that very same Image Universe. This was when he was compared to his brother Wroth, one of the few characters in that very same Image universe capable of harming Pitt. It's no wonder either, because Wroth was nearly identical in terms of physiology to Pitt.Another thing that you don't realize is that Pitt was created like his brother to be a doomsday weapon. He was created to be dropped on any given planet and destroy all life therein. Some of the races that he exterminated were populated by super human races. I also have to say it again. Pitt was mostly seen in his first, and second forms, because the more that he is damaged the more that he changes to genetically match his father Zoyvod, and the less he genetically resembled his human mother. At one point he was so far gone, that they feared that he wouldn't be able to revert back to his base form. Zoyvod would rape Majestic. WW Hulk would crucify him. This is based on the fact that WW Hulk was able to take internal hits from a being capable of hitting with the force of 135 Herc's. That force would kill Majestic.
I am rguing Majestros by KMC standards and withing his character.
Majestic isn't Thor, when he starts brawling and he realizes he has to change tactics he will. He can survive an initial onslaught from all of these characters in order to adapt.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
I am rguing Majestros by KMC standards and withing his character.Majestic isn't Thor, when he starts brawling and he realizes he has to change tactics he will. He can survive an initial onslaught from all of these characters in order to adapt.
Majesctic doesn't get to go off neutral ground to pick up his tech though. Majestic was also hit by and nearly killed by the leader of the War Guard. None of them were WW Hulk's level. Pitt isn't afraid to kill either, he was actually genetically engineered to be a killer. I'm not arguing who wins. I'm arguing against people that think that Pitt is a high meta level character, when he is in fact a high Herald level character. Majestic isn't indestructible, and Pitt's claws were written to be on par with Wolverines Adamantium ones. This includes his bones, and musculature. If you ever get the chance to read the letter pages of his first comics, you will read what Dale Keown actually says about the character. He's incredibly tough. If I recall correctly, he also weighed in at nearly 600 lbs more than the Merged Hulk, showing just how durable his musculature actually is. Keown said that his muscles, were virtually indestructible. So again, I'm not making claims to which team wins, just to help people that don't know the finer details of Pitt how powerful he is, and to give a little background on his history. When Majestic was in Image, he was comparably weaker than Supreme. So what we may have here is a case of the big fish in a little pond. There are beings in comics that would break Majestic with ease. There were quite a few in Image after all. It's more difficult to see past the veil though, when you like a character. This was exactly what Galan opened my eyes to, when he explained just how powerful Invincible and his race were.
Oh yeah, just wanted to add something completely unrelated to this thread. Liefeld wasn't the only one to copy other artists creations. Jim Lee did as well. He was just a little better at it. We know that Majestic is a Superman clone but what about his other creations? If you've ever played X-Com you will notice that Maul is a clone of the Muton soldiers, and Zealot is a carbon copy of Darna the Terrakian (I think that's how you spell her name) from the original Heavy Metal movie.
I'll admit that Maul was a bad pick. Majestic in V5 issues 10 and 11 stomped Spartan (non 3.0), Maul, Warblade and Voodoo at the same time. He was swinging Spartan like a baseball bat and hitting Maul with him. He tore Spartan up like wrapping paper, Majestic also crumbled up Warblade into a ball of tinfoil.
Mr. Majestic has always been Helspont's greatest enemy. Majestic is a legit high herald, he has the feats to put him there.
Meh. Whether wwh was slightly above high herald is not important. Every herald worth his salt can transcend his tier, Thor especially. But that's not the point. Pitt just doesn't have the showings and i could care less about the terrible crossover. But even that arguments not worth it because we're just splitting hairs. In the end Maul will be the reason team one loses, simple as that. He cant split even or take the majority over anyone here so it's three on two. Then pitt will get dropped and hulk will follow. Whether he held back or not is an exercise in semantics.
Originally posted by carver9
A WWH fighting smart would kill Thor. Just wanted to throw that out there. Please continue.
Naw that's why he faced a jobbing suicidal sentry.
Originally posted by krisblaze
Pitt and Maul don't stand a chance.A weakened Thor already put an amped WWH in space.
Please continue