Who's disappointed with Next Gen Consoles(PS4 and Xbox One)?

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
I remember a few years ago, some people (I don't recall if it's this forum or somewhere else) raged on me like an angry flock of sheep when I compared the classic JRPGs to western RPGs.
I was arguing that the storylines of classic JRPGs outshine their western counterparts, despite the graphics being mostly inferior.
And that most western RPGs are more FPS or action shooters instead of true RPGs.

Now that I'm criticizing the graphics of games developed by western devs, you guys are now raging about gameplay over graphics.

So which is it? Graphics or gameplay/storyline?
Or is it just bias for XBone/western/PC-developed games over Sony/Japanese-developed games?

Well, it can be both, to be honest. If both are present and look/feel fantastic, that's always great. However, I think graphics do take a backseat to a game that has excellent gameplay or a solid storyline.

You can always enjoy a game with a great story/gameplay with below average graphics and/or retro graphics (like most indies) but I believe it is much more difficult, if not near impossible, to enjoy a game with great graphics and a dull story and/or shoddy gameplay.

Yeah, everyone and their mother praised the Uncharted trilogy as the second coming and I got bored half way through in each game.

Yet I fell in love with, say, Mass Effect 1 as archaic as it is.

Then again you can have both, like with the Batman Arkham series or GTA etc. It's a matter of taste more than anything imo.

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
I remember a few years ago, some people (I don't recall if it's this forum or somewhere else) raged on me like an angry flock of sheep when I compared the classic JRPGs to western RPGs.
I was arguing that the storylines of classic JRPGs outshine their western counterparts, despite the graphics being mostly inferior.
And that most western RPGs are more FPS or action shooters instead of true RPGs.

Now that I'm criticizing the graphics of games developed by western devs, you guys are now raging about gameplay over graphics.

So which is it? Graphics or gameplay/storyline?
Or is it just bias for XBone/western/PC-developed games over Sony/Japanese-developed games?

Gameplay > graphics, though. People would rather have a game with tons of content and things even if it's not graphically the best than a game that's focused on being beautiful on the outside but is practically soulless on the inside. The reception of things like Order 1886 proved this.

Could question you having Eastern bias as well like some here that prolly have that Western bias..

The Order 1886 wasn't that bad. I don't know why it gets so much flak. Yes, it's full of plotholes, QTEs, and was too short. But the story and graphics are really good.
It was better than Destiny, imo.

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
The Order 1886 wasn't that bad. I don't know why it gets so much flak. Yes, it's full of plotholes, QTEs, and was too short. But the story and graphics are really good.

Maybe not enough gameplay value?

Console hardware has been disappointing, definitely. While yes, it is a step up from the previous consoles, they really dropped the ball in the kind of spec they could have used, and it hurts gaming in general imo when they don't push for better.

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
I remember a few years ago, some people (I don't recall if it's this forum or somewhere else) raged on me like an angry flock of sheep when I compared the classic JRPGs to western RPGs.
I was arguing that the storylines of classic JRPGs outshine their western counterparts, despite the graphics being mostly inferior.
And that most western RPGs are more FPS or action shooters instead of true RPGs.

Now that I'm criticizing the graphics of games developed by western devs, you guys are now raging about gameplay over graphics.

So which is it? Graphics or gameplay/storyline?
Or is it just bias for XBone/western/PC-developed games over Sony/Japanese-developed games?

Outside of Mass Effect 2/3 and maybe Deus Ex (depends how you play) how are most western rpgs shooters and not true rpgs? Obviously there are more then those two but those are the only really big ones that fit that imo.

Unless you are counting anything with rpg lite mechanics

Originally posted by -Pr-
Console hardware has been disappointing, definitely. While yes, it is a step up from the previous consoles, they really dropped the ball in the kind of spec they could have used, and it hurts gaming in general imo when they don't push for better.

Not drastically, though. I mean, at least not for me.

I don't think it was such a massive "ball dropping" and this is only the beginning of this generation of consoles so improvements are not impossible.

I don't think it harms gaming, almost at all.

Meh, after hearing the leaks that Rocksteady had problems developing for the new consoles, I don't think the issue is the consoles makers but developers/publishers.

I think graphics are fine and I never expected something amazing. Even top of the line PC graphics are not as breathtaking as they used to be. I think we are seeing a maturation of graphics for most titles and until 4k is ready to be the norm, I do not see graphics improving a whole lot. Expecting MS/Sony to provide something as groundbreaking as the 360/PS3 (and earlier) was a bit much in my opinion.

But in the end, this generation is meh mostly because of developers and publishers. I do not think they were ready for the amount of work that was needed to fully use these systems. You can see with many games being released buggy, non top of the line graphics and many pushed back release dates.

Arkham Knight is a good example of that. I do believe we will be seeing some crazy good shit later on in the life cycle though. Maybe Horizons: Zero Dawn is one of those games.