Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Yoda vs Vitiate
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Vitiate is not number one. Every time someone says that Luke and Sidious are above Vitiate you have to always stick your nose some where and question it.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Out of the three Luke has the most raw power and by his prime when he is grandmaster he has achieved so much. He became was what Anakin was supposed to become so with that he became the most powerful force weilder of all time so with that Anakin had more raw power than Vitiate. Sidious knew that Luke would become what Aankin was supposed to be that's why he wanted him to be his apprentice.
Though the Mandalorian fought valiantly, in the end he was no match for the Jedi Order's most powerful champion.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan
But when Revan challenged Vitiate, he was utterly outgunned.
Therefore, your reasoning isn't adequate. Being one of the most powerful Jedi ever isn't sufficient reasoning to determine a Force-user's superiority over Vitiate.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Luke out of his prime defeated Sidious, and along with his sister was able to cut off Palaptines connection to the force.
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He has achieved Oneness.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
He has achieved the power to match or outright defeat the Ones, the most powerful family of force wielders ever.
Here this fellas? Where is member Trocity?
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
He was trained by the second greatest Jedi master of all time yoda.
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He acheived the ability to live after death as a force ghost.
However, did he acquire the capability to manipulate the Force in this form? And to what degree?
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
He was greater than Darth Caedus.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Of he can cut off palpatines connection with just his sister out of his prime imagine what he could do within his prime.
Why he didn't sever Caedus's connection to the Force? Explain.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
The two basically acheived what it at one time took an entire Jedi council to do, respectively.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Luke is number one and is unquestioned.
Even Luke's strength in the Force cannot help. The most powerful Jedi Master in the galaxy can only stand by and watch his wife die.
Taken from (Star Wars: The New Jedi Order Sourcebook)
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Luke Skywalker is still the most powerful Jedi in the galaxy. I think we should assume he has a plan," Jaina said..
Taken from (Star Wars: Fate Of The Jedi: Vortex)
As for Luke's amazing combat record:-
1. Exar Kun WTFpwned him
2. Shimrra Jamaane almost killed him
3. Lord Nyax overwhelmed him
4. Darth Krayt matched his raw strength (indirectly)
Go figure.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Yoda vs Vitiate
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Sidious holds the number two spot. As of DE Sidious is undoubtedly the most powerful Sith of all time having learned most if not all the Sith secrets.
In his relentless pursuit of immortality, the Emperor explored the most sinister, uncharted depths of the dark side.
Taken from (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)
2. Vitiate is capable ravaging entire worlds with his powers:
but Ziost represents a clear display of the corrosive power of the dark side of the Force taken to its extreme.
From (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Rise of the Emperor)
3. Vitiate have transcended immortality and cannot be stopped with conventional offensive methods and options such as lightsaber and Force powers:
"This is most distressing. Vitiate may be more powerful then any of us assumed. And as he does not appear to have any manner of physical form, he cannot be restrained or destroyed by conventional means."
Taken from (Darth Marr, Star Wars: The Old Republic: Rise of the Emperor)
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Once again, how Palpatine is superior?
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Created force storms,
Vitiate may also have knowledge and understanding of Force Storm (Wormhole) power since he have explored the Dark Side to greater extent then anybody else and had an ancient artifact under his possession that could be used to conjure a Force Storm.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
as of ROTS Dooku someone renowned for his skill with the blade and power in the force, known to be one of the most powerful force wielders in the Star Wars mythos, was afraid to take him on by himself, same goes for vader.
No Sith has generated as much curiosity, frustration, and fear among the Jedi as the Empire's dread ruler.
From (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)
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For generations, the Emperor would remain withdrawn from society. When he finally appeared, the Emperor spoke only to the Dark Council, reducing the most powerful Sith in the Empire to trembling sycophants in his presence.
From (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)
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Staring into the hollow darkness of the Emperor’s gaze, Scourge’s mind flashed back to Nathema, and he shivered at the memory.
He tried to speak, but the words stuck in his throat. His mouth was suddenly so dry he felt as if he might choke. He swallowed hard and coughed, finally bringing up enough saliva to talk.
From (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan)
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Despite this, he still felt a chill in his gut when he saw again the enormous durasteel doors of the throne room. They were shut, of course, but he knew all too well what lay beyond.*
From (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan)
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*Revan's feelings! But Revan did not fear death and therefore challenged Vitiate.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Sidious accomplished while on a smaller scale, however less time a few seconds what it took vitiate several rituals to accomplish. Making a storm on a planet. In holographic form Sidiosu created a storm in a moderate to small area with his own presence, holographic while it took vitiate rituals and time. Sidious accomplished what he accomplished on his own while Vititae needed rituals.
Sidious manipulated the environment on a miniscule degree in comparison to what Vitiate had done on Dromund Kaas.
Vitiate corrupted the environment of Dromund Kaas on a planetary-scale and its impact lasted centuries or perhaps was permanent:
Power hungry, the Emperor spent great energy discovering and perfecting esoteric rites of darkness – rituals that wrecked the atmosphere of Dromund Kaas, transforming the ionosphere into a swirling electric storm.
From (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Holonet)
The impact:
Storms were common here on Dromund Kaas; dark clouds perpetually blocked out the sun, rendering terms like day and night meaningless.
Taken from (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan)
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The powerful electrical storms were a physical manifestation of the dark side power that engulfed the entire planet—a power that had brought the Sith back here a millennium before, when their very survival had been in doubt.
Taken from (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan)
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Sidiosu has destroyed armies with his force lightning and turned opponents to ash basically vaporizing them.
2. Sidious have not vaporized anybody.
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Vitiate have possessed entire armies with his telepathic abilities:
Unleashed from his sanctuary on Yavin 4, the former Sith Emperor has now struck the Imperial world of Ziost. Using his immense power in the dark side of the Force, he has dominated the minds of the planet's Imperial troops--as well as an elite cadre of militaristic Jedi--and has set them against the populace, engaging in a bloody slaughter.
Taken from (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Rise of the Emperor)
- and atomized individuals on planetary-scale:
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Wasn't his force lightning able to have a glow on the planet. When he used it you could see it from outer space?
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
I know his force storms were capable of ravaging the surfaces of worlds and engulf entire fleets. He accomplished along with vitiate essence transfer which was thought to be lost when he discovered it. Had access to all of the Jedi holocrons on coruscant after the purge and had plenty of the time to gain any knowledge and power they had to offer.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Has defeated savage oppress and maul at once.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Defeated Luke Skywalker by himself.
1. Destroyed an entire Dark Council.
2. Easily defeated a Jedi Strike Team of some of the most powerful Jedi of the Order.
3. Easily defeated Revan and was capable of defeating Revan alongside Meetra Surik and Lord Scourge.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
When not on his prime bent Mace Windus lightsaber hilt and threw him out of a window.
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Almost overpowered Yoda.
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Was described as a void blackhole in the force.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Most powerful Sith of the bane/Rule of two line and considered by many to be the most powerful Sith ever. Is arguably the greatest lightsaber duelist of all time. Sidiosu no doubt gets the number 2 spot.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
This leaves the number three spot open. While I think Yoda belongs in this spot and many agree with me, I think Caedus is up there as well. My top 5 force power list would goLuke
Sidious
Yoda
Caedus
Vitiate
1. Vitiate
2. Palpatine
3. Luke Skywalker
4. Yoda
5. Darth Caedus
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Yoda vs Vitiate
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
This is a debating platform. Expect your assertions to be questioned. Same goes for me.Your assertion that vitiate is the most powerful is wrong. Luke is logically the most powerful having the most raw potential and being trained by the most powerful Jedi of all time until Luke met his prime.
Your assumption is baseless. Anakin Skywalker had the potential to become one of the most powerful Jedi ever. Same is correct for Luke Skywalker. Now! Revan also had the potential to become of the most powerful Jedi ever, and he likely did:
Luke would pawn Revan. Luke became the most powerful Jedi of all time. While Revan is powerful he is not as powerful as Luke. Anakin would have become the most powerful force weilder. Luke became the most powerful force weilder of all time and he was said to be what Anakin was supposed to be. With that Anakin was supposed to become what Luke was which was the most powerful of all time.
Though the Mandalorian fought valiantly, in the end he was no match for the Jedi Order's most powerful champion.
You seriously don't understand how quotes work. That shows he was the most powerful Jedi of his time not of all time.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan
But when Revan challenged Vitiate, he was utterly outgunned.
Just askin but didn't vitiate attempt to mind control him once he failed and Revan force pushed him?
Therefore, your reasoning isn't adequate. Being one of the most powerful Jedi ever isn't sufficient reasoning to determine a Force-user's superiority over Vitiate.
Well Aankin and Luke weren't one of the most powerful ever, they were the most powerful, or Anakin would have become the most powerful if he had t gotten his body hacked up and Luke became the most powerful Firce weilder of all time as well as the most powerful Jedi. So with that Luke beats him especially if he goes into Oneness.
Luke outdueled Palpatine but this victory was temporary. If Luke's sister had not been present then Palpatine may have defeated Luke with his powers.
This is also a good showing for Luke. It took him and his sister to break Palaptines concentration. It took an entire Jedi council to stop Kun.
So? This isn't a criteria for ranking, rather a plot device.
Oneness.
So according to you, Luke can defeat even The Ones?
Well The father himself stated that only the chosen one can tame both my children and if you looked Anakin had both of them under his control. Luke obtained far greater than what Anakin received on mortis so thus he could defeat the son and the daughter.
Here this fellas? Where is member Trocity?
So? This isn't a criteria for ranking either.
Well the one other person I know that yoda himself trained was Dooku and he is amazingly powerful.
Yes.
However, did he acquire the capability to manipulate the Force in this form? And to what degree?
I would have to do more research on that. However according to Obi wan he became more powerful than vader could possibly imagine.
It can be asserted with confidence that Vitiate is greater then Darth Caedus as well. Perhaps more are.
I'm ok with opinion of Vitiate being above Caedus. That I have no problem with.
I would like to see an example in which Luke have severed the connection of a powerful Force-user to the Force.
Along with his sister he severed Palaptines.
Why he didn't sever Caedus's connection to the Force? Explain.
Am I Luke no. This is you saying why didn't he do it every time. He has done it before which shows he has the capability. As far as I know no force weilder has ever done it by themselves. However Luke did it with his sister.
The disrupted Palpatine's connection to the Force temporarily, per my understanding.
Still disrupted it.
I disagree! Luke is stated to be the most powerful Jedi of his era in several sources, and this is it.
Oh please. Most powerful Jedi of all time is more I like it. It's the most logical and reasonable response. The only other Jedi to question him would be yod and both in their primes Luke wins. Even without oneness. There definitly isn't during vitiates time tha could beat Luke. The only possible one would be Revan and even he would be beaten by Luke.
Even Luke's strength in the Force cannot help. The most powerful Jedi Master in the galaxy can only stand by and watch his wife die.
Taken from (Star Wars: The New Jedi Order Sourcebook)
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Luke Skywalker is still the most powerful Jedi in the galaxy. I think we should assume he has a plan," Jaina said..
Taken from (Star Wars: Fate Of The Jedi: Vortex)
The only Jedi again who would question Luke for this spot would be Yoda and Revan. Luke no doubt passed yoda and yoda was no doubt more powerful than Rwvan. I hate to use ABC logic but there you go.
As for Luke's amazing combat record:-
1. Exar Kun WTFpwned him
2. Shimrra Jamaane almost killed him
3. Lord Nyax overwhelmed him
4. Darth Krayt matched his raw strength (indirectly)Go figure.