Originally posted by quanchi112
If it didn't occur in continuity it didn't occur. I only always go by in continuity stuff. I told you this already, troll.
It does occur whether you lie, it or not. Just not in canon. What's wrong with the EU. Yes you did and I have no problem with that, I'm just saying it's there just not canon.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
It happened in the Star Wars universe. Also I see no reason why this wouldn't be something yoda could do. Still happened. Accept it.
Captain America knocked out Hulk in 3 hits. IN A CANON comic book. You know why we don't use that showing as evidence here on the 'movie vs forum'?
Ive just seen you troll (yourself lol) for one and a half pages. Take your nonsense elsewhere.
Originally posted by Juk3n
Captain America knocked out Hulk in 3 hits. IN A CANON comic book. You know why we don't use that showing as evidence here on the 'movie vs forum'?Ive just seen you troll (yourself lol) for one and a half pages. Take your nonsense elsewhere.
Uhh. If you use that I really couldn't care less if you did. Um I have not been in any Captain Amaerica threads soo 😂 You can use it if you wish but I don't really care.
I've seen you make terrible arguments and basically your a Quan junior.
Originally posted by Juk3n
You have no proof of this. But i'll tell you what you DO have in the way of evidence to the contrary;Yoda failing to dispatch Dooku, who is LEAGUES below Palpatine.
Yoda laughably failing to dispatch Palpatine.
Yoda failing to detect Palpatines dark side influence.
Palpatine dispatching three "celebrated jedi masters". Yoda failed to achieve silencing even ONE. Go ahead, cry about how Yoda had to save Obi while I bathe in salty tears.Show me on screen where we see this fabled "100% juyo amped windu" it's ok...i'll wait.
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Thine contradiction speaks volumes. Yoda is DEMONSTRABLY weaker than sidious.
There were no cutaways in the dooku vs Anakin fight. Anakin beat him in 30 seconds and looked under no threat. Dooku did considerably better against Yoda. Infact there is NOTHING on screen that paints yoda as duelist on the level of either Sidious, Mace or Anakin. Yodas only saving grace is Him lasting longer than Obi did in both fights against dooku. Going by screen feats alone, Mace is the hands down pound for pound around the mound, up and down to china town, smile and frown, verb and noun best. Beating sidious is the king feat.
It seems you LITERALLY have zero clue what you're talking about. I mean, the context you keep leaving out is appalling.
You say Yoda never demonstrated he was a duelist on the level of Sidous is a flat out lie. In fact, the opposite was proven, and the fact that you totally missed that speaks volumes about your lack of knowledge on the subject. Yoda DISARMED Sids of his saber. Do you understand that sentence? in DIRECT saber combat Yoda proved to be his superior. So how on earth you could say he never proved it, when in fact he did, is mindboggling.
You then Cite Anakin doing better against Dooku than yoda did. You failed to mention key facts, to say nothing of the fact that Anakin didn't do better.
1. Dooku RAN away from Yoda before he was killed. The script and the Novel note that Dooku was tiring and getting overwhelmed by yoda
A. In the EU, Dooku on a Darkside Nexus, with yoda Injured, again got overwhelmed by yoda and ran
2. Yoda was casually dealing with a Dooku using TK.. Force lighting.. saber etc etc. Dooku against Anakin never tried TK or force lighting.
A. Why would this be? Because Dooku wasn't TRYING to kill Anakin. He was told by the emperor he was supposed to test Anakin and see how far his skills had increased. He was testing him, not trying to kill him. Huge difference, and this is backed up by how Dooku attacked both
3. Anakin won, not because he was a superior duelist, but because Dooku was holding back, and Dooku's style is slightly vulnerable to powerful Kinetic attacks. His stamina gets drained more. We see this when he had to revitalize himself having already dealt with Obi and Anakin and then Anakin solo. He had to replenish himself. Against yoda's not very powerful attacks it doesn't weaken him as much. It's a style's vs. Style's thing.
You then say Windu's style is Juyo, it's Vaapad. Which of course is a combo of style but it's still called Vaapad. His style isn't Juyo. Another mistake
You then say Yoda's clearly below Sids. Odd, because Lucas notes in his script that the emperor appears doomed. You know that sequence where Yoda buckles down and gets serious and starts pushing Sids lighting back at him? You know the seen where Sids has the HOLY SHIT I"M F'D look on his face? Yeah, that and the fact that Yoda disarmed Sids in direct Saber combat shows your line is flat out wrong.
Should I cite how
1. Palps had to kill his master while he slept instead of take him one v one for control
2. Should I cite how he was disarmed AGAIN in direct saber combat by Windu and at his mercy. That's a STRAIGHT OUT LOSS. Yoda has no such loss on his ledger
3. Should I go into how the emperor failed to realize that Vader would help his son not kill him
4. Should I go into how Sids failed to realize Luke would never turn to the DS.
5. Should I go into how Sids failed to Realize Dooku had taken on an apprentice.. he failed to realize Vader also took on a apprentice
We can do this all day, point is, Sids is not superior to Yoda, if anything the fight to me showed yoda to be slightly superior.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
A. In the EU, Dooku on a Darkside Nexus,
Stopped reading here.
what forum are we in? There is an expanded universe forum all to itself.
Screen feats, fella, screen feats.
To prove my point I just showed my girlfriend (who doesn't give a flying phuck about lazer swords) who did better against this evil old Dooku guy, The young guy who killed him, or the old green guy who is the master of the universe. She looked at me like I was stupid..sorta like the way im looking at a few of the posts here..
Originally posted by Juk3n
Stopped reading here.what forum are we in? There is an expanded universe forum all to itself.
Screen feats, fella, screen feats.
To prove my point I just showed my girlfriend (who doesn't give a flying phuck about lazer swords) who did better against this evil old Dooku guy, The young guy who killed him, or the old green guy who is the master of the universe. She looked at me like I was stupid..sorta like the way im looking at a few of the posts here..
You didn't stop reading, stop lying. You're just unable to counter the points I made is really what you meant.
Further, I talked about the other mistakes you made prior to that statement which you failed to address
That doesn't prove a thing, all it proves is that she has no idea how to view a fight in it's full context like you. This explains the compatibility
Dooku WASN'T trying to Kill Anakin. That is the ultimate in context. Think about it...
Dooku isn't trying to kill Anakin and he losses (partly because of his saber style being weak to Anakin's and because his stamina had already been compromised)
This is somehow better than Dooku TRYING to kill Yoda, using a variety of attacks to do so (more than he did with Anakin because he was HOLDING BACK).. yet Yoda WASN'T trying to kill him and yet still came across as superior. He CASUALLY deals with Dooku saying things ilke "Much to learn you still have" Everything Dooku does Yoda casually deals with it. The context you missed there is downright laughable.
The reality is this, Yoda has a better track record than Sids and of that there can be no doubt.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
It seems you LITERALLY have zero clue what you're talking about. I mean, the context you keep leaving out is appalling.You say Yoda never demonstrated he was a duelist on the level of Sidous is a flat out lie. In fact, the opposite was proven, and the fact that you totally missed that speaks volumes about your lack of knowledge on the subject. Yoda DISARMED Sids of his saber. Do you understand that sentence? in DIRECT saber combat Yoda proved to be his superior. So how on earth you could say he never proved it, when in fact he did, is mindboggling.
You then Cite Anakin doing better against Dooku than yoda did. You failed to mention key facts, to say nothing of the fact that Anakin didn't do better.
1. Dooku RAN away from Yoda before he was killed. The script and the Novel note that Dooku was tiring and getting overwhelmed by yoda
A. In the EU, Dooku on a Darkside Nexus, with yoda Injured, again got overwhelmed by yoda and ran2. Yoda was casually dealing with a Dooku using TK.. Force lighting.. saber etc etc. Dooku against Anakin never tried TK or force lighting.
A. Why would this be? Because Dooku wasn't TRYING to kill Anakin. He was told by the emperor he was supposed to test Anakin and see how far his skills had increased. He was testing him, not trying to kill him. Huge difference, and this is backed up by how Dooku attacked both3. Anakin won, not because he was a superior duelist, but because Dooku was holding back, and Dooku's style is slightly vulnerable to powerful Kinetic attacks. His stamina gets drained more. We see this when he had to revitalize himself having already dealt with Obi and Anakin and then Anakin solo. He had to replenish himself. Against yoda's not very powerful attacks it doesn't weaken him as much. It's a style's vs. Style's thing.
You then say Windu's style is Juyo, it's Vaapad. Which of course is a combo of style but it's still called Vaapad. His style isn't Juyo. Another mistake
You then say Yoda's clearly below Sids. Odd, because Lucas notes in his script that the emperor appears doomed. You know that sequence where Yoda buckles down and gets serious and starts pushing Sids lighting back at him? You know the seen where Sids has the HOLY SHIT I"M F'D look on his face? Yeah, that and the fact that Yoda disarmed Sids in direct Saber combat shows your line is flat out wrong.
Should I cite how
1. Palps had to kill his master while he slept instead of take him one v one for control
2. Should I cite how he was disarmed AGAIN in direct saber combat by Windu and at his mercy. That's a STRAIGHT OUT LOSS. Yoda has no such loss on his ledger
3. Should I go into how the emperor failed to realize that Vader would help his son not kill him
4. Should I go into how Sids failed to realize Luke would never turn to the DS.
5. Should I go into how Sids failed to Realize Dooku had taken on an apprentice.. he failed to realize Vader also took on a apprentice
We can do this all day, point is, Sids is not superior to Yoda, if anything the fight to me showed yoda to be slightly superior.
While I agree with what your doing is correct. There are a few things wrong.
I've just read the script and it says that yoda almost pushed Sidious to the edge. It doesn't say he disarmed him. The script also says it was in a confined space. With that palpatine couldn't use his full offensive capability due to being in a confined space. Notice the difference in his battle with yoda and his battle with maul and savage. Notice how he flips around and incorporates acrobatics.
1. I agree. Be careful with EU. There going to say it's illegal and can't be used.
2. I agree, they're going to ask you to prove it with movie feats. .
3. They don't believe in styles. He says what movie feats prove this. I agree with you. Aankain has stronger strikes and dookus style is weak to kinetic strikes.
One thing you have to understand is that Lucas could have been describing the scene. Also the word APPEARS is the key word. Appears is describing it and also shows that this is what it looks like. Also yoda had a oh I'm f***** face as well. Then the force threw both of them back showing both were stalemates as yoda couldn't overwhelm Sidious or vice versa. Also script doesn't say he disarmed him it says he dropped his lightsaber.
1. We all know palpatine by this time(Rots) is no doubt better than Plagueis. By that time also he had gained all the knowledge that Plagueis had to offer so I see no reason why you would think this shows Sidious being weak.
2. You know where I stand in that. I still stand by Sidious throwing the fight as there were plenty of obvious opportunities where he let windu live. Even with the lightsaber.
3. That doesn't show a lack of skill, more overconfidence that almost cost yoda his life. Also why would he suspect that after Vader has been loyal to him, killing Jedi, and even saved him from an assassination attempt in the EU. He didn't have to do that.
4. Again how does this point to any lack of skill? May I remind you Sidious hid his appearance as a Sith from Yoda and the rest of the council, clouding their vision. His father turned, and he was trained by Obi wan so why wouldn't Luke turn.
5. You need to rewatch the episode where Sidious tells Dooku to eliminate Ventress, or how he had Vader kill Galen marek in front of him to prove his loyalty. Also I'm asking, but didn't he try to get Galen marek as his apprentice tricking Vader into training an apprentice so he could replace vader?
All depends on your perception. If you take location, circumstances, and everything that was at stake, Sidious can appear to be better. However as of ROTS they are for all tense and purposes equals.
The question is which is more impressive. Someone who can make a renowned sword master flee without the need of an amp just your own power, or the need for a sudden burst of speed and power and you still don't win instantly, in fact the guy is actually smiling at you and would have beaten you if you didn't have that amp?