Aang & Korra vs Iron Fist

Originally posted by Surtur
So just to be clear, you feel they were shooting out lightning at speeds rivaling real world lightning?

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I do in fact feel that cloud to ground lightning rivals the speed of cloud to ground lightning. Gonna claim that Iroh, who doubted he could beat his brother, is much faster than Aang?

So you do think that, okay.

It's good to be king.

The Firelord couldn't get through it, that doesn't make it impenetrable.

Ozai amped by Sozin's comet has a greater fire output than Iron Fist.

Breaking the Hellcarrier ain't shit.

So again just to be clear: they pack firepower on the level of many many nukes?

How many?

Originally posted by Surtur
I don't need to side step anything because "this person flew fast" has LONG been a lame ass attempt by people to use as reflex feats. I've never seen it really work, at all. This isn't my personal belief, I'm going off the way I've seen flying feats treated on this board.

Korra was able to fly that fast and throw a punch before colliding with Unalaq. That isn't a combat feat?

The Nuke stuff is almost guaranteed to just be energy absorption anyway, earlier situations with people with nuke like powers showed he can absorb the explosions if he knows it's coming.

He doesn't have the raw durability to stand up to anything from the people here.

Danny palmed a bullet and can submerge his fists in lava.

He also killed a sun god in a single punch.
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Also neither Avatar showed lightning bending so it's moot.

Aang can reflect lightning. Korra being his reincarnation has that ability as well.

^ Wouldn't that only be available in Korra's Avatar State: otherwise she'd have to learn it like every other element.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Aang can reflect lightning. Korra being his reincarnation has that ability as well.

If you are arguing it as a durability feat, it's a bit intellectually dishonest as Avatar state just seems to negate bending (Aang & lightning, Korra & Blood bending) there is no reason to assume it negates concussive force.

Aang could not negate lightning. Azula killed him with it in a surprise attack. Aang at base could reflect lightning.

None of this goes against the point that Iroh reflected real lightning and Aang is much faster than him.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Aang could not negate lightning. Azula killed him with it in a surprise attack. Aang at base could reflect lightning.

None of this goes against the point that Iroh reflected real lightning and Aang is much faster than him.

Iroh's is most certainly not a fast technique. Also Iroh didn't react to the lightning he was constantly trying to test his theory on it and he got lucky. Humans dodged generated lightning in Avatar 2 so I'll not except it at a crazy speed, infact Waterbend has better speed feats.

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
Also Iroh didn't react to the lightning he was constantly trying to test his theory on it and he got lucky.

Originally posted by NemeBro
lol

This argument reminds me of the Kakashi as a place holder for FTL speed argument that the narutards would use, while the rest of us just took it as a outlier in the rest of the story.

Kakashi reacting to and cutting a lightning bolt in half is nowhere near as ridiculous as it once seemed. Even giving him such a feat would not put him in the top 10 strongest characters of the story.

As much as I bad mouthed the Living Weapon series, it did raise Danny's stock considerably.

Prince of Orphans charged up a Kamehameha type attack, blasted him high into the sky out of K'un L'un across dimensions to Earth, with Danny falling like Logan did in AvsX when Cap hit him out the helicarrier. And he was fine. Not a scratch on him.

Of course, in past series he was spending days out in artic weather, bare chested, while fighting off wolves before fighting Davos to regain his Iron Fist, and Luke Cage failed to knock him out with a sucker punch to the back of his head, so it's not like Danny has human level durability. The Prince of Orphans feat only cements his past feats, and establishes him as a tough sob.

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
I likewise found it to be a cute scene that made me chuckle.

This argument reminds me of the Kakashi as a place holder for FTL speed argument that the narutards would use, while the rest of us just took it as a outlier in the rest of the story.

Anyway, do you have an argument against Iroh deflecting a natural lightning bolt?

Originally posted by NemeBro
Kakashi being able to cut a lightning bolt in half isn't an outlier by Naruto standards anymore. That's frankly slow compared to the top tiers of the setting.

Anyway, do you have an argument against Iroh deflecting a natural lightning bolt?

Iroh was moving before it happened.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Kakashi reacting to and cutting a lightning bolt in half is nowhere near as ridiculous as it once seemed. Even giving him such a feat would not put him in the top 10 strongest characters of the story.

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
yes, I did give it. Just because you quote a different post doesn't take my earlier post away.

Iroh was moving before it happened.

This.

Plus the age old debate of whether fire bending lightning is "real" lightning.

Anyways, if Iron Fist was there in Korra, that finale with the giant robot would have been one minute long. 😎

I went back and looked it up, Iroh is just standing in his absorption pose BEFORE the lightning struck. So yeah, not a speed feat lol

Danny caught a bullet, at point blank (barrel to head), from across a rooftop, after it had been fired.

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
Haku blitzed a stronger version of Kakashi than the one that cut the lightning. Genin Sasuke was keeping pace with Haku until the mirrors. So everyone in Naruto faster than Genin Sasuke are close to light speed?

I'm sorry, you're going to have to provide the example of Haku blitzing Kakashi. Haku's only combat interactions with Kakashi are getting in between him and Zabuza to die. His Ice Mirrors work like a Space Time Ninjutsu so that isn't a poor showing on Kakashi's part.

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
yes, I did give it. Just because you quote a different post doesn't take my earlier post away.

Iroh was moving before it happened.

Nice try, little guy.

Also, Azula's lightning is faster than bullets.

http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=20788

Iron Fist would win if against their base forms, but the Avatar States make this a non-fight.