As for the fight, Ultimate Cap wins. He is a legit superhuman, far more brutal, i.e., murderously brutal and a totally dishonorable fighter. I can never forget him using kindergarden kids as a shield to win a fight. And people seem to forget that unlike the mainstream version Ultimate Cap did not carry just his shield, he also carried an assault rifle and a sidearm, grenades, flashbangs, smokebombs, gasbombs and tasers. So he is packing some heat and gadgets too. And he has a minor healing factor. That guy is a cheating psycho in a fight who would have no problem decapitating Bruce with the shield and thens hotting him in the heart to be sure
Originally posted by h1a8
Batman is arguably more skilled than Ult. Cap. Not only can Batman prevent Cap from landing a blow for a decent while but spamming his gadgets will most certainly protect Batman from attacks. There's no getting around the gas. A single gas pellet wins for the 5 reasons I gave.P.S. Cap can't stop Batman from trying the next gadget. Batman is fast enough and skilled enough to defend himself, evade, block, parry, etc. Cap has to attack with caution. He can't just blindly go crazy. Otherwise Batman can counter him with some devastating attacks.
Originally posted by riv6672
I can see you're in the Zone here. The Character A can do this while Character B cant do anything back Zone.
And thats fine, but that isnt worth pursuing as a conversation.
So what is Cap going to do back?
I personally lean towards Cap here but only slightly and only because Batman doesn't have the luxury of Prep here. Batman can definitely get some wins. 4.5/5.5 Also, don't forget Batman has taken on foes that could arguably rival Cap such as Bane.
But in the conversation above it looked like H1 was just bringing up different offenses Batman has as reasons he could win and you just dismiss it instead of rebutting it. What about that was so bad to you?
Originally posted by carver9
What I got from those scans is Batman will get beat to sleep the first round by Cap and during the second round he will probably win. To bad each round doesn't consist of each opponent knowing what happened previously. Cap wins.
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Then that's where the general knowledge forum rule comes in.
Ultimate Captain America is a celeb. Batman will pretty much know everything there is to know about him - a luxury that he didn't have against Emperor Penguin .
Without knowledge, random encounter, Cap beats him. I agree.
During this forum fight, however:
Basic Knowledge
Each side receives basic knowledge of the other. A good measure of this would be what the general population of the character's homeworld knows.
He knows not to take him lightly. Of course, Cap will do the same, but we saw how an opponent who had prepped against Batman fared when Bats was serious.
Originally posted by carver9
What I got from those scans is Batman will get beat to sleep the first round by Cap and during the second round he will probably win. To bad each round doesn't consist of each opponent knowing what happened previously. Cap wins.
By that logic, every fight Superman has with Doomsday ends with Doomsday winning, because that's what happened in the comic.
Plus, Batman won't underestimate Cap like he did this guy due to ignorance. Ultimate Cap's abilities fall under common knowledge, so Batman will know exactly how outclassed he is, and go to his A game.
Originally posted by Henry_Pym
Has batman ever upon meeting someone, just by reputation used lethal ordinance?Also this Cap carries hand grenades and is smart enough to cook them off so stealth isn't really a possibility
Doomsday? Lol.
Doesn't have to be lethal. We're not shoving C4 down Cap's throat, lol.
Immobilising foam pellets, gas, tasers, sonics, that kinda thing. IOW, not saying Batman is going out for the kill just because Cap is enhanced - just that he won't exactly underestimate Cap and let himself.
Note that both H1 and myself (the only ones it seems in Batman's camp atm) have acknowledged Cap has the physical advantage. But Batman will win as he usually does, with his gadgets.
Edit: Also, Superman, lol as cdtm pointed out.
I have reported all of you btw for not acknowledging my brilliant note of Emperor Penguin as Mackelmore.
Originally posted by Odekahn
So what is Cap going to do back?I personally lean towards Cap here but only slightly and only because Batman doesn't have the luxury of Prep here. Batman can definitely get some wins. 4.5/5.5 Also, don't forget Batman has taken on foes that could arguably rival Cap such as Bane.
But in the conversation above it looked like H1 was just bringing up different offenses Batman has as reasons he could win and you just dismiss it instead of rebutting it. What about that was so bad to you?
Anyhow, you and i agree on prep being a factor. I can also get behind Batman pulling 4/6.
Common knowledge, Cap's equipment (besides shield) has been discussed. My opinion is, if Batman doesnt score a quick win with his opening attack, this version of Cap will bulldoze him.
I'm NOT saying Batman CANT win. I'm saying he can. But not for a majority.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Physically, Ult. Cap has more than just an edge...
Agreed. But the skill gap evens it out.
A lots made of Ultimate Cap being stronger then steve, but both Batman and 616 Cap handle stronger opponents all the time.
US Agent? Bane on venom, or Slade Wilson? Even a Rhino or Grundy.. Sure, both could be argued as PIS, but no less then Ultimate Cap making Hulk bleed.