Originally posted by carthage
As a what?
Originally posted by AncientPower
Thanks for doing my job for me, Kun's lightsaber is an entirely different beast and not one that Krayt can answer, whereas both Krayt's jar'kai and his Niman are absolutely Kun's backyard. As if that was not bad enough Exar Kun's alien style is backed up with advanced precognition, every move Krayt makes is completely predictable to Exar Kun.It is yet another feat of strength for both combatants and if looked into further could be interpreted as something more but I'll leave it for now.
Actually Exar Kun is evidently on another level to those he'd typically have a hard fight against when he has his weapon and style at hand.
I don't doubt that, I only doubt how Cade is even close to being Darth Maul/Exar Kun level. That is a considerable stretch in my opinion.
I also fail to see how Krayt can physically match Exar Kun:
-Exar Kun has smashed through a wall of beskar.
-Exar Kun has smashed through Vodo's staff twice despite it being stated to be
stronger than any lightsaber.
-Exar Kun has caused shockwaves of sound that stretched for miles due to the
strength of his blows.
-Exar Kun has survived having his body broken in a 100 places without Force
aid and was then made physically stronger than ever by Nadd.
-Exar Kun has effortlessly lifted large aliens.
-Exar Kun has dueled with speed enough to stalemate Ulic whom has caused
several after-images of not just his blade but himself and blitzed Dark Jedi
such as Warb Null.
-Exar Kun has stamina enough to duel with max effort for hours before falling
from exhaustion.
1. Based on what is Kun prepared to respond to every move Krayt makes? Kun's lightsaber functions aren't a get-out-of-jail free card. Krayt is familiar with the inherent design of a saberstaff as it was used within his Sith Order. Kun's ability to manipulate the lengths and intensities are all that's different - he may be able to exploit those elements against Krayt, but at the same time, somebody who is skilled enough isn't easily going to overextend themselves.
2. A feat of strength doesn't even remotely imply he used Djem So, lol.
3. Because they're unprepared for it, sure.
4. I just listed Cade's feats for you. They are comparable to Maul and Obi-Wan's indeed.
5. Sure, Kun is probably stronger, but it's not as important an edge as Krayt's greater skill or Dark Transfer.
Originally posted by SunRazer
1. Based on what is Kun prepared to respond to every move Krayt makes? Kun's lightsaber functions aren't a get-out-of-jail free card. Krayt is familiar with the inherent design of a saberstaff as it was used within his Sith Order. Kun's ability to manipulate the lengths and intensities are all that's different - he may be able to exploit those elements against Krayt, but at the same time, somebody who is skilled enough isn't easily going to overextend themselves.2. A feat of strength doesn't even remotely imply he used Djem So, lol.
3. Because they're unprepared for it, sure.
4. I just listed Cade's feats for you. They are comparable to Maul and Obi-Wan's indeed.
5. Sure, Kun is probably stronger, but it's not as important an edge as Krayt's greater skill or Dark Transfer.
1.He is adept in the style of Jar-kai and is a greater master of Niman, which are Krayt's forms. Kun's entire form is unique, his entire fighting style is based on confusing and outfencing his opponents. It is not something that assures him a win but it is a considerable advantage which you ignore.
2.Being able to match the power blows of a master of the form with such techniques at it's core is infact impressive.
3.Because he is outright better when utilising his preferred weaponry/style, no one in his time can keep up with him, why you insist on making this out as not impressive is beyond me.
4.In what way is defeating Nihl and Talon equal to the feats of Darth Maul? Whom has defeated Grievous, stalemated Mace Windu and Aayla Secura single-handedly, defeated Kenobi and faced Darth Sidious in a fairly impressive length of time.
5.Krayt doesn't have greater skill, Kun is the best master of the form in which Krayt specialises and has proven said skill against top tier duelists.
Ulic Qel-Droma is top tier and yet has only equaled his master Exar Kun when Kun played him at his own game. Exar Kun can certainly match Darth Krayt.
Kun's Force Blasts are also more efficient than Krayt's situational Dark Transfer and Kun's Force defenses can contend with anything Krayt has thrown towards him.
1. Niman as the alternate name for Jar'kai? What suggests Kun mastered it to a greater degree than Krayt did? Kun being the best of his time doesn't mean he's better, since Krayt was also the best Jar'kai master of his time and would claim the same accolades Kun did had he lived during Kun's era. And as far as feats go, Kun's aren't better.
2. I'm aware. That still doesn't imply he used Djem So, lol. Just stop trying to save face and give up on the point.
3. Nobody else in Kun's time would be able to keep up with Krayt in terms Jar'kai either, so I'm not sure why you're stressing the point so much.
4. You're not even citing Maul's feats correctly. Maul has never beaten Grievous by virtue of lightsaber skill before, nor has he beaten Obi-Wan by virtue of lightsaber skill (he did gain the considerable advantage once after unsettling Obi-Wan with Dun Moch, sure, but in their rematch on neutral ground, they were obviously even). His fight with Mace was short and inconclusive, though it is impressive he managed to fend off Mace whilst kicking Aayla away. As for Sidious - lol, he held back the entire time, and when he went all-out in the novelization, he wrecked Maul. Dave Filoni also stated Palpatine was enjoying himself against Maul and Savage and that they can't genuinely compete with him (in fact, he stated that they can't even touch him).
Regarding how Cade's feats compare, Nihl and Talon have fought and beaten some of the best Jedi of the era such as Shado Vao/Wolf Sazen who have, in turn, beaten Sith Troopers (immensely augmented Sith warriors that have stomped regular Jedi and Sith before). Nihl's also canonically better than Talon, for that matter, and Cade has beaten both before, which puts him within range of Obi-Wan Kenobi and Darth Maul. And Krayt defeated him without strain.
5. Based on what is Kun the best master of the form that Krayt specializes in? Ulic isn't as skilled as Krayt either, that's ridiculous. So Kun matching Ulic doesn't make him able to match Krayt - he would only potentially be able to do that with his lightsaber accessories. None of the feats you listed for Ulic exceed Cade's, and Kun's other feats of beating Vodo, Craydo and Sylvar frankly aren't any better. So yes, Krayt is still more skilled than Kun, who at best is only matching him with the lightsaber add-ons and unorthodoxy.
6. What have Kun's Force defenses accomplished to suggest that Krayt's Force assaults would be utterly meaningless against him?
Kun seems to require a sort of charging up/becoming considerably enraged in order to unleash Force Blasts that would be too devastating for Krayt to repel using the Force. Otherwise, Krayt has repelled Lightning that has shattered stone, and he can certainly repel Kun's more casual blasts this way.
Dark Transfer is only situational in that Krayt needs to touch Kun to enact it. He's still capable of using Dark Transfer to heal himself.