Pops T:Genisys vs Captain America

Originally posted by FrothByte
Cap was able to block a hit from Mjolnir. Are you telling me Pops hits harder than Mjolnir???

If Pops can land a solid hit on Cap then yeah, that would hurt. But considering how slow pops moves I doubt it. Either he gets blocked by the shield or Cap dances around him. Ultron was strong enough to cut off a man's arm with a simple swipe of his hand and yet Cap was able to take hits from him and keep up with him.

H2H I believe Cap loses. He doesn't have enough power to cripple Pops. Though it would still be a long dragged out fight. With shield then Cap wins, but still a long dragged out fight.

I don't get the logic here... Pops was Literally tanking thing after thing that seemed greater than Cap could dish out with his shield. Yet he's going down because of the shield? Nah, just don't see it. Cap gets curbed by either John or Pops

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I don't get the logic here... Pops was Literally tanking thing after thing that seemed greater than Cap could dish out with his shield. Yet he's going down because of the shield? Nah, just don't see it. Cap gets curbed by either John or Pops

Cap was going toe to toe with Ultron V.3 and seemed to be hurting him a bit. Ultron has taken worse shots than Pops. Ultron seems to operate at a higher level than Pops. After all, who has pops taken on who's at Ironman level strength?

It's going to take Cap some time but that shield + Cap's strength have some pretty good damage output.

I'm not even convinced Pops can land hits on Cap if Cap has his shield.

Cap really didn't do a thing to Ultron, it was clearly presented to me that it was a non fight. Sure Cap did "okay", but it was made rather clear Ultron was in a whole other league and Cap wasn't going to win. I just don't see that as a good reference point. Should I name the humans who were able to land blows on him or shoot him? They are well below Pops in virtually all areas really. So if they can land blows on Cap and affect him.. what will Pops do when he lands?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Cap really didn't do a thing to Ultron, it was clearly presented to me that it was a non fight. Sure Cap did "okay", but it was made rather clear Ultron was in a whole other league and Cap wasn't going to win. I just don't see that as a good reference point. Should I name the humans who were able to land blows on him or shoot him? They are well below Pops in virtually all areas really. So if they can land blows on Cap and affect him.. what will Pops do when he lands?

Sure go ahead. Name me the humans who (one on one) were able to land blows on Cap. Bet all of them move faster than Pops.

Who cares if it was one or two or three guys? They are human.. and well below Cap in speed.. reflex.. perception etc etc... According to your line of logic they should've never been able to land a single blow or affect him at all. It doesn't matter if there are 3 guys or one.. a blow landed is a blow landed. If it affects Cap it affected Cap.. it's that simple, and it did. The reality is, Cap was no thread to Ultron and that was made painfully clear imo. Name me something that Cap did that applied more force than Pops was shown to overcome? Ball is in your court bud

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Who cares if it was one or two or three guys? They are human.. and well below Cap in speed.. reflex.. perception etc etc... According to your line of logic they should've never been able to land a single blow or affect him at all. It doesn't matter if there are 3 guys or one.. a blow landed is a blow landed. If it affects Cap it affected Cap.. it's that simple, and it did. The reality is, Cap was no thread to Ultron and that was made painfully clear imo. Name me something that Cap did that applied more force than Pops was shown to overcome? Ball is in your court bud

Nope. Ball is still in your court since you haven't answered my question. I'll answer your question about Cap being able to hurt Pops as soon as you prove to me that Pops can actually hit Cap.

Every human who's been able to land hits on Cap on a 1v1 fight has been faster than Pops. If you think differently then please prove me wrong.

I don't disagree that they might be faster than Pops. Who's to say, but I wouldn't say it's a given. Keep in mind, Pops "moved slow" i.e. running walking etc etc... But when it came time to handle business... we see him land blows on people supposedly much faster than him according to you. T1000's... John.. other randoms... If he was really as slow as you're making out... how would he have landed anything on anybody?

The point is, clearly Pops has proven he can land blows on people faster than him.. that's all he needs to prove. I don't care if he's shown walking like a snail... If he lands blows he lands blows. Bob Sapp isn't the fast guy in the world... That didn't stop him from KOing one of the all time greatest K1 fighters in Hoost multiple times. Ask Sapp to run a 40 and Hoost trashes him. Yet, he was able to land blows non the less. See what I'm saying here?

Now that I've addressed your question... now answer mine please... What feats of Caps had more force than what pops was shown tanking?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I don't disagree that they might be faster than Pops. Who's to say, but I wouldn't say it's a given. Keep in mind, Pops "moved slow" i.e. running walking etc etc... But when it came time to handle business... we see him land blows on people supposedly much faster than him according to you. T1000's... John.. other randoms... If he was really as slow as you're making out... how would he have landed anything on anybody?

The point is, clearly Pops has proven he can land blows on people faster than him.. that's all he needs to prove. I don't care if he's shown walking like a snail... If he lands blows he lands blows. Bob Sapp isn't the fast guy in the world... That didn't stop him from KOing one of the all time greatest K1 fighters in Hoost multiple times. Ask Sapp to run a 40 and Hoost trashes him. Yet, he was able to land blows non the less. See what I'm saying here?

Now that I've addressed your question... now answer mine please... What feats of Caps had more force than what pops was shown tanking?

Nope. Still haven't answered my question. I wasn't asking if Pops can hit people faster than him, I was asking for proof he can hit someone as fast as Cap.

Cap is a lot faster than either T1000 and T3000 (at least if we're talking h2h fighting and T3000 not using that weird pseudo-phasing maneuver). T1000 seems to be able to run fast but everytime we see it fighting (see T2) it's about as slow as the T800, just smoother moving. You have to remember that the T1000 is still made out of steel and thus pretty heavy as well.

As for John, when he finally got serious and used his full powers Pops couldn't land a single hit on him. The only time Pops was hitting him was when he was just brawling. I mean, everytime we see terminators fight they usually just throw haymakers and try to throw each other around. You don't see them perform agile or complicated maneuvers. Don't see them really try to duck and dodge. Cap doesn't just brawl.

Again, who has hit Cap in a 1v1 fight? From what I recall: Batroc, Red Skull, WS and Loki. All of whom move faster and have more h2h skill than Pops or the T1000 or even the T3000 when he's not doing his shadow dance.

You're making no logical sense here and I'm starting to think you don't have a single answer for my question, which is why you continue to avoid it. I already answered it. We're asking two very different things. You're asking me to show somebody fighting somebody like Cap who's from a totally different universe. There are no Cap's in the Terminator verse. On the other had... it's much easier to judge how much concussive/pressure/damage was inflicted using various methods. That is both easier to judge and more conclusive. You're asking me to show Pops fighting somebody like Cap when Cap's don't exist in the universe. Yet we know .50 cal's... lasers... etc etc exist in both

To make matters worse you concede John is faster than Cap when he's doing his Shadow thingy... So that already invalidates your argument cause he did fight somebody faster. What we do know is that a T1000 has shown faster speed imo than Cap has in straight running. how then you could say well... he can run fast.. but when he punches it's just normal level is plain silly. If he can move his legs that fast.. he can also move his arms that fast. Point is, Pops has tagged people faster or as fast as Cap. I'm not saying they are as skilled, I agree cap is more skilled and better at dodging.. blocking etc etc. That is how he'll survive for a bit, and I agree with that. It's his skill that will give Pops problems not his speed. Pops has dealt with faster people

now, I'm sure you'll say I didn't answer the question.. even though I did and refuse to answer my question. When this happens again, I'll accept that you have no answer to my question because Cap has zero chance to put pops down. The reality is Pops took more punishment than Cap was ever shown dealing out and by a WIDE margin.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You're making no logical sense here and I'm starting to think you don't have a single answer for my question, which is why you continue to avoid it. I already answered it. We're asking two very different things. You're asking me to show somebody fighting somebody like Cap who's from a totally different universe. There are no Cap's in the Terminator verse. On the other had... it's much easier to judge how much concussive/pressure/damage was inflicted using various methods. That is both easier to judge and more conclusive. You're asking me to show Pops fighting somebody like Cap when Cap's don't exist in the universe. Yet we know .50 cal's... lasers... etc etc exist in both

To make matters worse you concede John is faster than Cap when he's doing his Shadow thingy... So that already invalidates your argument cause he did fight somebody faster. What we do know is that a T1000 has shown faster speed imo than Cap has in straight running. how then you could say well... he can run fast.. but when he punches it's just normal level is plain silly. If he can move his legs that fast.. he can also move his arms that fast. Point is, Pops has tagged people faster or as fast as Cap. I'm not saying they are as skilled, I agree cap is more skilled and better at dodging.. blocking etc etc. That is how he'll survive for a bit, and I agree with that. It's his skill that will give Pops problems not his speed. Pops has dealt with faster people

now, I'm sure you'll say I didn't answer the question.. even though I did and refuse to answer my question. When this happens again, I'll accept that you have no answer to my question because Cap has zero chance to put pops down. The reality is Pops took more punishment than Cap was ever shown dealing out and by a WIDE margin.

You're making stuff up man. Pops has never tagged anyone as fast as Cap. I'm not talking about Pops tagging someone while they're running, I'm talking about him hitting someone as they are fighting. So what has running got to do with this? Combat speed is not just about being able to run fast or move hands or feet fast, because otherwise Usain Bolt should be harder to hit than Mayweather. Pops has never fought anyone who fought as fast as Cap.

T3000 is faster when he does his shadow phase thingy and Pops was unable to do anything to T3000 when he did that. So he did NOT connect with T3000 when the T3000 was moving fast. Only time he tagged the T3000 was when T3000 was simply brawling.

It would be pointless to discuss if Cap can damage the T800 with a shield if the T800 can't even hit Cap in the first place.

Don't worry, I have points regarding Cap being able to damage the T800. I'm not a hundred percent sure they'll work but I don't want to get into that until we establish whether Pops can actually land hits on Cap.

Look I've answered your question and addressed numerous times. Whether you like the answer or not, I've tried to address the question. On the other hand you keep avoiding mine. So, I guess we've reached a point where you simply don't wanna continue. That's fine, but I'm not going to keep trying to answer, while you duck and dodge mine.

Froth, Kurupt is one of the worst debaters on this site. I honestly think his parents dropped him on his head throughout his childhood.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Cap was able to block a hit from Mjolnir. Are you telling me Pops hits harder than Mjolnir???

If Pops can land a solid hit on Cap then yeah, that would hurt. But considering how slow pops moves I doubt it. Either he gets blocked by the shield or Cap dances around him. Ultron was strong enough to cut off a man's arm with a simple swipe of his hand and yet Cap was able to take hits from him and keep up with him.

H2H I believe Cap loses. He doesn't have enough power to cripple Pops. Though it would still be a long dragged out fight. With shield then Cap wins, but still a long dragged out fight.

cap had his whole body standing and ready to take the impact through the ground (horizontal momentum)

the grenade scene was vertical momentum and sent him flying- flying but not damaged

pops was actually quite fast fight wise- especially against connor in the police station and the genysis time room

yeah this whole he's super slow thing is rather perplexing to be honest