What denomination is God/was Jesus?

Originally posted by Stoic
Or you aren't capable of understanding how it is being used here. Jesus was a rebel, and often protested the Jewish faith. Which is why I said that Jesus was a Protestant Jew. Christianity did not exist at that time so technically Jesus could not be a Protestant in that sense. I realize that you know exactly what I'm saying, and I would like you to know that it only serves in making you look like one of two things. A dimwit, or a troll.

I have never heard of "Protestant Jew", and I don't find anything when I Google it.

Originally posted by Stoic
I'm sorry for calling you a dimwit. That was really uncalled for. I just didn't think that it would be very difficult to see the correlation between Catholicism vs Protestant Christian to Judaism vs What Christ taught. The Pharisees, and Sadducee did not agree with what he taught after all. They even attempted to ensnare him. Jesus was as much of a Protestant to Judaism, as Pentecostal is to Catholicism. Are you arguing that the use of legality in the form of name alone confirms one, while also serving to deny another of equal stature and purpose? Catholicism isn't the standard and never has been. The book from which every church is supposed to follow (the Bible), is the real and only true standard by which people should use as a point of reference.

The Protestant came from the Catholics.

If Jesus is God that means he was worshipping himself. That is pretty messed up.

Where do you get that from?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I have never heard of "Protestant Jew", and I don't find anything when I Google it.

You won't find anything. Jesus protested, and rebelled against Judaism. He even taught a different gospel, and his actions caused the holy men of the Jewish faith to seek to ensnare him, and ultimately put him to death.

The Catholics just put a title on something. that Jesus had done long before they even existed. Jesus in fact did separate himself from the Jewish faith, and many of its teachings, in the same way that Protestant Christians separate themselves from many Catholic teachings. Or what? Did you think that Catholicism was the first doctrine protested of throughout history? If Jesus was a Jew by faith, why is it that he sought to teach a new doctrine? If you can't accept the word for what it truly means, or from which it derives its meaning, there isn't much that I can say to you. Protestant comes from the word Protest. Jesus protested the Jewish faith because it was a faith that had become a stumbling block to its people. So, if I am in fact the first person to call Jesus a Protestant Jew, so be it. This was in fact what he was, and how he lived his life. Anyone needing any proof of this, would only need to read the bible to see it. I don't see why it is so difficult to realize that Jesus wasn't a Jew by faith since he didn't believe in many of its outdated practices. To really crack this mystery, one only needs to understand the reason/s behind having/serving a religion vs not having or serving another one entirely. Having a religion is not a birthright, it is a conscious choice. Something else that the Catholic faith got wrong because of blatant ignorance.

To really crack this mystery, one only needs to understand the reason/s behind having/serving a religion vs not having or serving another one entirely. Having a religion is not a birthright, it is a conscious choice. Something else that the Catholic faith got wrong because of blatant ignorance

Originally posted by riv6672
thats asking a lot. Some people dont go beyond Google. Nit a dig, just an observation i've found to be fairly accurate.

I know, but that's why I said "Having a religion is not a birthright, it is a conscious choice". The bible says that in order to be baptized, a person must be of mature mind. There is a reason for this. I mean when was the last time that an infant was lawfully charged with murder? even if a baby shot you with a gun by mistake, it never knew the consequences of its actions, and therefore could not be tried as a criminal The same thing applies to a persons faith or personal/spiritual belief system.

Originally posted by Stoic
You won't find anything. Jesus protested, and rebelled against Judaism. He even taught a different gospel, and his actions caused the holy men of the Jewish faith to seek to ensnare him, and ultimately put him to death.

The Catholics just put a title on something. that Jesus had done long before they even existed. Jesus in fact did separate himself from the Jewish faith, and many of its teachings, in the same way that Protestant Christians separate themselves from many Catholic teachings. Or what? Did you think that Catholicism was the first doctrine protested of throughout history? If Jesus was a Jew by faith, why is it that he sought to teach a new doctrine? If you can't accept the word for what it truly means, or from which it derives its meaning, there isn't much that I can say to you. Protestant comes from the word Protest. Jesus protested the Jewish faith because it was a faith that had become a stumbling block to its people. So, if I am in fact the first person to call Jesus a Protestant Jew, so be it. This was in fact what he was, and how he lived his life. Anyone needing any proof of this, would only need to read the bible to see it. I don't see why it is so difficult to realize that Jesus wasn't a Jew by faith since he didn't believe in many of its outdated practices. To really crack this mystery, one only needs to understand the reason/s behind having/serving a religion vs not having or serving another one entirely. Having a religion is not a birthright, it is a conscious choice. Something else that the Catholic faith got wrong because of blatant ignorance.

Just because Jesus protested the Jewish faith does not mean he was a Protestant. You are using the name Protestant incorrectly.

Jesus was not a Jew by faith; he was born a Jew.

The latter doesnt rule out the former.

Originally posted by riv6672
Where do you get that from?

The idea that Jesus/God were the same thing? You've never heard that?

Originally posted by Stoic
I know, but that's why I said "Having a religion is not a birthright, it is a conscious choice". The bible says that in order to be baptized, a person must be of mature mind. There is a reason for this. I mean when was the last time that an infant was lawfully charged with murder? even if a baby shot you with a gun by mistake, it never knew the consequences of its actions, and therefore could not be tried as a criminal The same thing applies to a persons faith or personal/spiritual belief system.

So was I being trolled by the Catholic church when I was baptized before I was even 1?

Religion wasn't a conscious choice for a lot of people. I never had a choice, nobody asked me what religion I wanted. It was forced upon me(and many other kids) and I guarantee you some of those grew up thinking they made a "choice" to be this, but I see that almost as if you are brainwashed. If you instill something into a child from birth chances are it might effect how they grow up. Eventually I began to question the religion, but not everyone does and then you wonder is it because they truly believe or because their parents were much more strict with religion then others?

I was forced into: baptism, communion, confession, and confirmation.

That's why God is Jewish and everything else is just pillow talk🙂

Originally posted by Surtur
The idea that Jesus/God were the same thing? You've never heard that?

So was I being trolled by the Catholic church when I was baptized before I was even 1?

Religion wasn't a conscious choice for a lot of people. I never had a choice, nobody asked me what religion I wanted. It was forced upon me(and many other kids) and I guarantee you some of those grew up thinking they made a "choice" to be this, but I see that almost as if you are brainwashed. If you instill something into a child from birth chances are it might effect how they grow up. Eventually I began to question the religion, but not everyone does and then you wonder is it because they truly believe or because their parents were much more strict with religion then others?

I was forced into: baptism, communion, confession, and confirmation.

Yes you were trolled. The book, the very book that they claim to follow directly states that a person must be of mature mind in order for the baptism to be valid. Or how is it that a baby can sin? Sin is a bi-product of the mind, and a baby simply has no way of feeling condemnation at that period of physical and mental development. In others word, we choose our doctrine when we are cognizant of the functions of that particular doctrine, or way of life. There is no doubt, that Catholicism has it's own agenda, because if they didn't the willful and blatant ignorance displayed wouldn't be an issue, but we see that it actually is. It leads people astray, by dismissing or failing to mention critical context.

"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them ... Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you" (Matthew 28:19, 20).
“He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved” (Mark 16:16).
“Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins” (Acts 2:38).

- See more at: http://www.miqteens.com/article-blog/id/60/how-do-i-know-when-i-am-ready-to-get-baptized#sthash.4EEGwNPn.dpuf

Can a baby believe in anything? What should they repent of?

here's another example of how the bible teaches people that choices are made due to our choices. It also directly leads the negative, or positive effect that our choices impact our lives.

Hebrews 5:12
In fact, though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you the elementary truths of God's word all over again. You need milk, not solid food!

Hebrews 5:14
But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil.

How can a baby decipher complex thought strings? Repentance is pretty complex in my opinion. I mean look at how many people have gotten it wrong.

Originally posted by psmith81992
That's why God is Jewish and everything else is just pillow talk🙂

You see you have a lot of trouble understanding the simplest of things. You aren't to blame though, it's what you were taught to believe, even if it never made sense.

You see people aren't born into a religion. They choose the religion when they are mature enough to realize the ins and outs of that religion. Jesus, did not agree with Judaism, and in so doing, taught his own doctrine. This means that he was not Jewish by faith. However he was Jewish by birth. One of these things are physical, and the other is logical or spiritual however you want to name it.

You can bring someone up and tell them to say yes to everything, and tell them to sign on the dotted line, but if you did not explain the ends and outs to them, morally speaking that contract would not be binding. Jesus was what he believed that he was, just like anyone else that has a religion. Again, religion is not a birthright, it is a choice that everyone has the opportunity of choosing or denying. A choice. If I were to slap a label on Jesus' denomination, then it would be Protestant Jew based on the fact that he was born among Jewish people, but he had a different belief system. This is the way that I am using the term. Besides, there was no denomination that occurred at that time between the Christian churches, sects, and yes even cults (KKK, Santeria, etc..). Denominations didn't exist in the time of Christ, because the church had not yet been established. However, there is no doubt that a baby can not have a religion. They can't because in order for them to be of any religion, they would need to form a complex string of thoughts followed equally by complex actions. We know that this is impossible.

I couldn't edit this, but this is what i meant by it

here's another example of how the bible teaches people that our choices are made due to our dispositions (or our emotional condition). It also directly shows us the negative, or positive effects that our choices impact our lives.

That was what i was trying to say.

You see you have a lot of trouble understanding the simplest of things. You aren't to blame though, it's what you were taught to believe, even if it never made sense.

You see people aren't born into a religion. They choose the religion when they are mature enough to realize the ins and outs of that religion. Jesus, did not agree with Judaism, and in so doing, taught his own doctrine. This means that he was not Jewish by faith. However he was Jewish by birth. One of these things are physical, and the other is logical or spiritual however you want to name it.

Originally posted by psmith81992
I think your self proclaimed enlightened attitude makes you look incredibly ignorant, and your inability to understand sarcasm confirms this fact. But I forgive you.

I appreciate this paragraph equivalent to "duh". No really. Again, your self proclaimed enlightened attitude makes you look ignorant. God honestly can't be Jewish. But the Jewish people believe they are the chosen people. The only difference is we don't massacre everyone who disagrees. We don't believe Jesus was a prophet but we don't begrudge those that do.

…23"But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers. 24"God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth." 25The woman said to Him, "I know that Messiah is coming (He who is called Christ); when that One comes, He will declare all things to us.

What does anything that you said have to do with anything that i said, based solely on the OP of this thread. I argued my point, and you have yet to challenge one thing that I stated. When I told you what I did about your understanding, you took an attitude, which shows your particular condition. We all have them, don't feel bad. What i meant was that we are all indoctrinated to something. However that something in this case has to do with bible canon. When I answered you, I actually answered correctly. I could have said it in a different way, but I did not. I claim no ignorance because I used evidence to support my argument. So you can do one of two things right now. You can brush it off, or hold a permanent record within your mind, about who you think I really am. Your choice.

Bible canon says that God chose the Jews, because they were the closest people to being able to worship god in truth. This is the truth from the bible, not my words at all. Another religion will make a different claim, but then what does that have to do with the OP? You're giving me stern opinion based on your own condition, while I have my own condition. Mine just seems to at least attempt to keeping this within the parameters of the OP. Do I believe what the bible teaches? Yep. I can't help but to see things written in the bible that are in the world that we are currently living in. I was checking out the most polluted bodies of water in the world, and if you did as well, I'm sure that it would shock you. All the same, my knowledge of the bible makes me debate in the way that I do. I go about debating that way so that my words aren't twisted or used to serve another purpose. Have fun this is KMC.

Originally posted by psmith81992
I think your self proclaimed enlightened attitude makes you look incredibly ignorant, and your inability to understand sarcasm confirms this fact. But I forgive you.

I appreciate this paragraph equivalent to "duh". No really. Again, your self proclaimed enlightened attitude makes you look ignorant. God honestly can't be Jewish. But the Jewish people believe they are the chosen people. The only difference is we don't massacre everyone who disagrees. We don't believe Jesus was a prophet but we don't begrudge those that do.

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Originally posted by Stoic
You're doing it again. You're measuring the doctrine according to the people. This is an incorrect and irresponsible way of viewing things. Just because many Jews protest of the things that were practiced in the time of Jesus, does not mean that they can not or are not supposed to practice them in order to live a proper religious Jewish life. The NT writes all about the OT. It doesn't nullify everything written within the OT though, but it adjusts us to the fact that the Holy Spirit can now live within people as opposed to when it only inspired people. Factually speaking, the Children of God did not appear in the bible, or even exist until Jesus rose from the dead. He did after all say that "I will pray to the father, and he will send a comforter in my name".

In the context I was measuring the doctrine regarding Jesus who is counted as "people" for the sake of the argument. Regarding jewish tradition he'd be considered an heretic, but in christian tradition he can't be an heretic at all.

Cultural dénominations can shift from different point of views.

Originally posted by Stoic
Can you explain this claim?

You kind of had this argument with Shaky already, but it was the possible link between Jesus opposing authority and the Protestant movement that appeared several centuries after. I can understand the aesthetical appeal of using the word but it can be confusing in context.

Confusing doesnt mean wrong.

Originally posted by Surtur
Religion wasn't a conscious choice for a lot of people. I never had a choice, nobody asked me what religion I wanted. It was forced upon me(and many other kids) and I guarantee you some of those grew up thinking they made a "choice" to be this, but I see that almost as if you are brainwashed. If you instill something into a child from birth chances are it might effect how they grow up. Eventually I began to question the religion, but not everyone does and then you wonder is it because they truly believe or because their parents were much more strict with religion then others?

I was forced into: baptism, communion, confession, and confirmation.

Originally posted by riv6672
Confusing doesnt mean wrong.

You were not forced into religion. Maybe you were too comfortable to fight it, but once you were old enough to make up your own mind you were old enough to choose.
As an example, I was raised Catholic. Till i was 12. Then i said no.
I understand you might not have wanted to piss off your parents, but the choice WAS there.

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Riv is right. We ALWAYS have a choice. I've also always felt the exact same way Stoic does regarding infant baptisms too.

When I told you what I did about your understanding, you took an attitude, which shows your particular condition. We all have them, don't feel bad. What i meant was that we are all indoctrinated to something. However that something in this case has to do with bible canon. When I answered you, I actually answered correctly. I could have said it in a different way, but I did not. I claim no ignorance because I used evidence to support my argument. So you can do one of two things right now. You can brush it off, or hold a permanent record within your mind, about who you think I really am. Your choice.

Bible canon

And this is the 3rd or 4th time you claim your words are being twisted. After the 2nd time, you should understand the problem is you, not everyone else. You're debating with a "holier than thou" attitude which would seem less douchey if it wasn't arguing ignorance. Nobody needs a lecture on indoctrination because we all know this already. It seems you are more interested in typing than typing with substance.