Does power mean speed?
Sorry, this is my last dbz thread (for a while at least lol).
In dbz, when a character gets a boost in power, do they also get a proportional boost in speed? for example, do sayians also get a 50x increase in speed when the transform into a SS? would SS2 be twice as fast as a full power SS? etc
thanks. 🙂
Originally posted by bbrem123
no they do not always go hand and hand. A good example is Trunks in USSJ 2 form.
Originally posted by john allerdyce
I know speed increases with kaio ken, but what about other amps like super saiyan?Or how about if goku raises his base power level with training. does his base level speed increase proportionally as a result?
I can't comment on all characters, but for Saiyans specifically, increased power definitely begets increased speed:
http://i.imgur.com/4u5TPiv.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/z0GSiDz.jpg
^ Where Saiyans are concerned, their speed does increase in accordance with their PL. Trunks only became much slower after powering up, due to all the added mass/bulk he gained specifically from USSJ--as Goku noted after discovering USSJ himself:
...But that's not exactly your typical Saiyan transformation, either--it was more of a one-off. /shrug
After all, ASSJ Vegeta still gained a significant speed increase after powering up to that level, and he bulked up considerably. Here's a comparison...
Regular SSJ:
ASSJ:
Bulking up past that level is when speed starts to get neutered(unless you're Broly.)
The characters in DBZ use their ki to amplify ALL of their abilities, including perception, speed, strength, destructive capacity, durability, etc.
This is why most of the time, they will fight with ki bulking their strength and speed equally, but they are able to bulk up just their speed, sacrificing strength, or vice-versa. They have total control over it.
That's also why they can exert so much raw destructive force in the form of ki blasts, after they charge them up by standing still for a bit. Just like how Vegeta was keeping up with Cell, as Super Vegeta, but when he sacrificed his speed to try and do some damage, he managed to blow off half of Cell's body.
So yes, "power", as in ki capacity, DOES determine a persons speed. But strength does not. Only ki does.
Also, I'm assuming we're only talking DBZ here, and not any other anime's. That's why I'm relying on ki to explain here.
Recoome, Jeice, and Burter all had roughly equivalent power levels IIRC.
Recoome was physically stronger than all of them, Burter was faster, and Jeice presumably fell in-between.
This indicates that increases in power levels don't necessarily correlate perfectly with speed, or strength for that matter, at least as far as these individuals are concerned.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
The answer is no, not directly. Iirc Goku even said during training that he was already powerful enough to beat Cell, but all the power in the universe couldn't help him if he didn't get to Cell's speed level.
He said that after he powered up to USSJ, a point already covered by others before you. Normal SSJ/MSSJ, SSJ2 and SSJ3 do not have this drawback.
Originally posted by Galan007
I can't comment on all characters, but for Saiyans specifically, increased power definitely begets increased speed:http://i.imgur.com/4u5TPiv.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/z0GSiDz.jpg
This.
Stated on panel.
Originally posted by NemeBroAs far as mutants are concerned. 👆
Recoome, Jeice, and Burter all had roughly equivalent power levels IIRC.Recoome was physically stronger than all of them, Burter was faster, and Jeice presumably fell in-between.
This indicates that increases in power levels don't necessarily correlate perfectly with speed, or strength for that matter, at least as far as these individuals are concerned.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Recoome, Jeice, and Burter all had roughly equivalent power levels IIRC.Recoome was physically stronger than all of them, Burter was faster, and Jeice presumably fell in-between.
This indicates that increases in power levels don't necessarily correlate perfectly with speed, or strength for that matter, at least as far as these individuals are concerned.
Recoome was boasting about his speed to Goku, though. Maybe it depends how they channel their speed?
Maybe the source books give them all power levels, but the most you could tell about them from the anime/manga is that Recoome, Jeice, and Burter are >>> pre zenkai Vegeta, and <<< Goku. Relative to each other, all we really know is the Captain outranks them all, and Guldo's beneath everybody.
Originally posted by cdtmWell, there is this:
Recoome was boasting about his speed to Goku, though. Maybe it depends how they channel their speed?Maybe the source books give them all power levels, but the most you could tell about them from the anime/manga is that Recoome, Jeice, and Burter are >>> pre zenkai Vegeta, and <<< Goku. Relative to each other, all we really know is the Captain outranks them all, and Guldo's beneath everybody.
Unfortunately, I don't know the particular source those power levels are from. However, they seem very accurate when compared to the canon PLs we do know. For example:
-Gohan and Krillin stomped Guldo when their power levels were each stated to be "over 10,000." So Guldo having a PL of 10,000 makes sense.
-According to the Daizenshuu, Vegeta's PL was 30,000 when Recoome mercilessly stomped him. So Recoome having a PL of 40,000 makes sense.
-Burter/Jeice were each stated to be "around" Recoome's level. So 42,000/43,000 for them makes sense.
-Ginyu's PL is stated to be 120,000 in the manga, so we know that one is spot-on, at least.
