During that period, both Roshi and Goku had a PL of 180. This means Goku's PL as an Oozaru=1,800(which is > Raditz, btw.) So unless Roshi's moon-buster packed upwards of 10x his baseline PL, then it *shouldn't* have been able to do much against Oozaru Goku directly.
After all, the difference between Kamiccolo and Imperfect Cell was FAR less than 10x, yet Cell tanked Piccolo's all-out Light Grenade w/o sustaining so much as a scratch:
http://i.imgur.com/kOB9tod.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/sbgvZ7u.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/oCHZ7PT.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/s5g3TQy.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ezBgXzM.jpg
We saw the same type of thing with 50% Freeza vs. SSJ Goku:
http://i.imgur.com/3XMy5Cy.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/dfPjmpp.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/USQ2I9Q.jpg
And again: the difference between them wasn't remotely close to 10x.
There are other examples, but you get the picture... But who knows, maybe Roshi's moon-buster was over 10x his baseline. /shrug
In the Dragon Ball: Bouken Special (1987), Toriyama was asked how a battle between Goku and Arale would go. His response: "If Goku and Arale fought, Arale would probably be stronger than Goku." Since this statement was made during the Piccolo Daimao-era, it puts Goku's PL at 260.
That said, the word "probably" implies that the difference between Goku and Arale was marginal. So if I had to guess, I'd say Arale's PL(sans toon-force) would have been ~300.
Originally posted by Galan007
During that period, both Roshi and Goku had a PL of 180. This means Goku's PL as an Oozaru=1,800(which is > Raditz, btw.) So unless Roshi's moon-buster packed upwards of 10x his baseline PL, then it *shouldn't* have been able to do much against Oozaru Goku directly.After all, the difference between Kamiccolo and Imperfect Cell was FAR less than 10x, yet Cell tanked Piccolo's all-out Light Grenade w/o sustaining so much as a scratch:
http://i.imgur.com/kOB9tod.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/sbgvZ7u.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/oCHZ7PT.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/s5g3TQy.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ezBgXzM.jpgWe saw the same type of thing with 50% Freeza vs. SSJ Goku:
http://i.imgur.com/3XMy5Cy.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/dfPjmpp.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/USQ2I9Q.jpg
And again: the difference between them wasn't remotely close to 10x.There are other examples, but you get the picture... But who knows, maybe Roshi's moon-buster was over 10x his baseline. /shrug
To be honest that kinda stuff does fluctuate, mostly based on whether or not the party in question was surprised. Tien could force Semi-Perfect Cell down for a little while and Piccolo straight up killed Raditz with his attack at a low power level.
The question here is whether Roshi could beat the Ozaru without cutting the tail. My first instinct tells me that the moon is a bit tougher than a monkey who had it's tail cut by scissors but the tail is the weakspot so maybe it is just super super vulnerable there. I also considered whether Roshi could conceivably dodge Goku's attacks in this form. Again I thought no but Grandpa Gohan seemed aware of the Ozaru form so it is possible that he did avoid it(he was an acrobatic guy).
In the end context favors Roshi. Goku is distracted by just rampaging so Roshi gets a free hit on his back, which he could totally pull off. Even if Goku survived it his tail would likely get caught by the attack and it would hurt him long enough for Yamcha to grapple the tail again. Goku just really isn't experienced enough with this form to do anything about it.
Though one could argue that the Oozaru mode is designed to take blasts like that since Saiyans specialize in conquest. Even a peaceful world like Namek could produce better fighters than Roshi. Then again Roshi just now battled a chunk of Freeza's army so I dunno what to think any more.
*eats banana*
Originally posted by AuraAngelTien wasn't harming Cell at all--just pushing him down. Additionally, the Shin Kikoho is about the most powerful attack a single character can generate in DB. It's haxx AF.
To be honest that kinda stuff does fluctuate, mostly based on whether or not the party in question was surprised. Tien could force Semi-Perfect Cell down for a little while and Piccolo straight up killed Raditz with his attack at a low power level.
Raditz had been weakened by Gohan's amped headbutt, and he was also being restrained by Goku.
Originally posted by AuraAngelYeah, it's hard to say how Oozaru Goku would have coped with the blast. An attack several times less powerful than himself just wouldn't have done anything, though. Imo.
The question here is whether Roshi could beat the Ozaru without cutting the tail. My first instinct tells me that the moon is a bit tougher than a monkey who had it's tail cut by scissors but the tail is the weakspot so maybe it is just super super vulnerable there. I also considered whether Roshi could conceivably dodge Goku's attacks in this form. Again I thought no but Grandpa Gohan seemed aware of the Ozaru form so it is possible that he did avoid it(he was an acrobatic guy).In the end context favors Roshi. Goku is distracted by just rampaging so Roshi gets a free hit on his back, which he could totally pull off. Even if Goku survived it his tail would likely get caught by the attack and it would hurt him long enough for Yamcha to grapple the tail again. Goku just really isn't experienced enough with this form to do anything about it.
Though one could argue that the Oozaru mode is designed to take blasts like that since Saiyans specialize in conquest. Even a peaceful world like Namek could produce better fighters than Roshi. Then again Roshi just now battled a chunk of Freeza's army so I dunno what to think any more.
*eats banana*
Originally posted by carver9
Sneak attack...but if he braced for the attack, nothing would happen. Makes sense. Wonder if this form was more powerful than Raditz.
Originally posted by Galan007
During that period, both Roshi and Goku had a PL of 180. This means Goku's PL as an Oozaru=1,800(which is > Raditz, btw.)
Originally posted by Galan007
Raditz was shocked that Goku and Piccolo could raise their ki(and focus their blasts.) I don't think he would've had the same reaction if it was something he could also do. /shrug
IIRC Vegeta also more or less confirm in his fight with Kiwi or was it Dodoria, that he had learned to hid his powerlevel while on Earth? plus the scouters that ran into Krillin and Gohan was also taken completely by surprise.
Originally posted by Galan007
Goku's base PL at the time=180. Oozaru gleans a 10x increase. This puts Oozaru Goku's PL at 1,800.Raditz' PL=1,500.
Goku eating a common laser throws a monkey wrench into it, though. In addition to also taking one from a weakened Piccolo, plus the implication a heavyweight like Nappa could have been killed by various attacks when distracted/stunned.
Gohan seemed to tank Vegeta's best attacks, though. Even depleted, he should be stronger then a beam laser. Do Oozaru's even let their guard down? Or do they only erect defenses in response to a threat?
Can they be ambushed?
