Exar Kun and Krayt vs. Malgus and Vitiate

These are:
- peak Exar Kun (he gets his amulets)
- Reborn Krayt
- Revan Vitiate
- False Emperor Malgus

Setting: Massassi Temple

Old school categories:
1) Sabers
2) Force
3) All-out

Who wins?

Krayt would put up a really good fight against Vitiate, and Malgus has nothing on Kun.

Team 1 tbh

Sabers: If Vitiate can't rely on his offensive Force powers he won't be of much help and won't last long in a duel, Team 1.

Force: Without sabers Kun and Krayt are at a disadvantage, and much less able to deal with Vitiate's powers, against Vitiate alone they will struggle, with Malgus they'll fall. Team 2 me thinks.

All-Out: I'm not convinced Krayt (or Kun) could put up a fight against Vitiate if Revan can't, certainly not the time necessary to defeat Malgus. There is also the nexus to take into account which will likely amplify Vitiate the most. Team 2 wins.

Sabers: Team 1, noshit.

Force: Vitiate > Kun and Malgus > Krayt in terms of TK and lightning.

Overall: Malgus vs Krayt would be a good fight with the latter eventually winning due to Dark Transfer. Kun vs Vitiate is probably Vitiate's game since his defenses are excellent and his lightning and TP are both OP. I feel that he can force a Force duel and win. Overall probably team 2, Swtor Vitiate would make it sure imo.

I disagree with the Force Rankings.

Vitiate>Reborn Krayt>=Kun>FE Malgus.

So it boils down to can either Kun or Krayt last long enough against Vitiate for Malgus to die.

Team 1 can win if they can gang up on Vitiate.

Krayt doesn't need dark transfer to beat Malgus

He's better in every way to begin with

^^ Pretty much.

Back to the topic I think the team has a fair shot. Malgus loses to either in a duel, and with the nexus amp he gets destroyed fairly rapidly by either Kun's blasts/drain or Krayt outs him with drain as well.

Krayt's tutaminus/drain would be troublesome to Vitiate as well, and he has TP resistance to ward off any attack from Vitiate. Either of them can hold off Vitiate with their force abilities, and literally destroy him if they can close the distance. Vitiate's lightning can be absorbed by Krayt's tutaminus/deflected or blocked by barrier from any of the Dark lords, so its not really helping him in any sense at all

Team 2

Team 2 takes the force and all out.

Probably team 1 in everything, to be honest.

Do Kun's or Krayt's tutaminis feats surpass Revan's? If not, Vitiate can take out whoever he chooses to with lightning while Malgus holds off the other. How are they gonna win this again?

Vitiate needed to charge up a Storm on a nexus to overwhelm Revan.

By the same token, not sure how either of team 2 holds up against Kun's Blasts.

It didn't take a long time for Vitiate to charge it and didn't Kun also need to charge his blast to reach very destructive levels?

Kun won't need to charge it any longer than Vitiate would. And again, it was charged on a nexus (for both of them, but Kun became vastly more powerful afterwards, apparently).

The nexus argument is blurry imo. We don't know how it effected Revan. And unlike most people here, I don't think completely disregarding a feat cause it happened on a nexus is a very logical approach. I agree it makes it less impressive though.

Kun's blasts failed to kill an opponent inferior to Vitiate where Vitty overwhelmed an opponent(who probably has better tutaminis than Kun since I still haven't seen any feats presented by anyone) with a single lightning attack. Not sure how they are comparable.

I don't disregard it, but Vitiate was amped and Revan hindered (he claims he couldn't see through the Force very well on Dromund Kaas). And Vitiate charged up on the nexus - ie. he'll have to charge up for longer on neutral ground.

Doesn't he say that prior to the fight? In that specific moment, he uses the dark side as well.

Besides, nexus amp doesn't necessarily shorten the charging time but the power Vitiate can build up in that period of time. Since Kun is inferior to Revan in this regard, Vitiate will have an easier time with him which will make up for the absence of a nexus amp.

No, but it means Vitiate can gather such an amount of energies more easily because there's more dark side energies around.

Again, even if Vitiate's attack won't be as powerful as it was in the novel, it will still be powerful enough to overwhelm his opponent's defenses here.