Genocide vs Superman
Genocide, the DC one made by Ares, with implanted lasso
vs
Superman (either pre-flashpoint or Nu52)
Can Superman succeed where John Stewart, Firestorm, and Red Tornado working together got chumped? Will Genocide's teleportation, anger-aura, and soul attack via lasso prove too much?
Superman wins.
Originally posted by Q99
Genocide, the DC one made by Ares, with implanted lassovs
Superman (either pre-flashpoint or Nu52)
Can Superman succeed where John Stewart, Firestorm, and Red Tornado working together got chumped? Will Genocide's teleportation, anger-aura, and soul attack via lasso prove too much?
In a straight up fight with nothing affecting her, Diana owned her like a *****.
Superman laughs at her and beats her down.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman wins.
First of all, she suckered John when he didn't even know her coming.
He, and the rest of the League, came there to fight Genocide. Multiple herald levels got pwned.
And she can teleport. So, the reason he got caught, is just because of that.
In a straight up fight with nothing affecting her, Diana owned her like a *****.
In a straight up fight, Diana got owned and her lasso stolen. In the *second* straight up fight, after Geno pwned the JLA, Genocide killed one of Diana's friends and mindtwisted Donna Troy. In the final fight, the only reason she won was she ripped out the lasso from her spine, but prior to that she wasn't hurting Geno much- and note, touching the lasso is how Geno *attacks* people's minds.
And note the 'nothing affecting her' bit- One, Superman will be under the anger aura. Two, the lasso can be used to attack him just like it one-shotted John.
So, Superman will be affected here, and I note you offer no suggestion on how he's supposed to avoid being affected.
Wonder Woman's already a close fight, and Genocide's stronger and, importantly, notably more hax.
I like how no-one actually has any good reasons for how Superman's gonna beat a magical teleporter stronger than Wonder Woman that can hit someone's mind so hard it KOs a GL, and who was made by Ares and designed by TO Morrow, to take out the League, they're just completely sure he would for... reasons.
Talk about wearing your bias on your sleeve, y'know?
Originally posted by Q99They didn't know who they were fighting.
He, and the rest of the League, came there to fight Genocide. Multiple herald levels got pwned.
And she can teleport. So, the reason he got caught, is just because of that.No, she teleported and suckered John. When all of them actually tried fighting her, she let out a psychic blast and ran away.
In a straight up fight, Diana got owned and her lasso stolen. In the *second* straight up fight, after Geno pwned the JLA, Genocide killed one of Diana's friends and mindtwisted Donna Troy.And the fact that she was pulling her punches due to psychic effects from Genocide. That would not affect Superman.
In the final fight, the only reason she won was she ripped out the lasso from her spine, but prior to that she wasn't hurting Geno much- and note, touching the lasso is how Geno *attacks* people's minds.Even with wonder woman, the lasso did not have much effect on superman in his right mind. She tried making him realize truth in Action Comics 753, he just tossed her away like a *****.
And note the 'nothing affecting her' bit- One, Superman will be under the anger aura. Two, the lasso can be used to attack him just like it one-shotted John.Good luck with those strategies. If you need, I can post Superman beating more powerful beings with better soul affecting powers.
So, Superman will be affected here, and I note you offer no suggestion on how he's supposed to avoid being affected.Just by superior will power. Even Neron has not been able to affect Superman's soul.
Wonder Woman's already a close fight, and Genocide's stronger and, importantly, notably more hax.
Wonder Woman has special gauntlets to block HV and has actual superspeed.
Genocide has nothing in her arsenal which could beat Superman.
Originally posted by Q99
I like how no-one actually has any good reasons for how Superman's gonna beat a magical teleporter stronger than Wonder Woman that can hit someone's mind so hard it KOs a GL, and who was made by Ares and designed by TO Morrow, to take out the League, they're just completely sure he would for... reasons.Talk about wearing your bias on your sleeve, y'know?
Just by punching her out. Like wonder woman did.
Originally posted by leonidas
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Okay so having read those, a few things I notice:
Genocide sort of did sneak up on John Stewart and didn't beat him in a straight up fight. We see Firestorm using his powers on Genocide, then they don't know where she is and then John is grabbed from behind and begins screaming about how it can teleport. Meaning it took him by surprise and these guys didn't even know the full capabilities of Genocide whilst fighting it at first.
Onto the WW fight I notice a few things: WW was definitely hurting Genocide with her punches(that god damn ear bash again). Also if Genocide was so superior why did it have to essentially grab a hold of that one guy to prevent WW from continuing to attack?
Then also..isn't it kind of obvious that when WW is able to free the guy before Genocide can do anything..she is using super speed to do it? Then at the end WW literally rips the lasso out of this thing.
Superman is faster and stronger then WW. Even for those that disagree would still have to agree he is just as fast and as strong. So why couldn't he use his speed to do..exactly what WW did with the lasso? Whatever aura this thing puts out didn't stop WW from being able to hurt her with punches, being able to blitz her and save the hostage, and it did not stop her from ripping the lasso out of her body.
Originally posted by leonidas
oh, i've little doubt supes is as powerful or moreso. the difference is she is completely created of and by magic and that would give her an advantage on him that she didn't have on diana...
Right?
And Superman is vastly stronger and faster. I don't know how it can be argued at this point honestly. Diana herself admitted that she was as strong and as fast as PG.
I think that if Genocide puts the mind whammy of Superman like she did to John Steward, she'd take this, as Superman would be in a nightmare dealing with all of the terrible things that Genocide could bring to the surface in his mind, and in a blacked out state, she could pretty much do anything that she wanted, which would include crippling, or killing him.
That's just one side of it though. Genocide didn't appear to be as strong as many of the characters that Superman is capable to taking down. With speed, heat vision, freezing breath, and superior just about everything physically, I'd say Superman would beat the starch out of her. That's if he can keep away from the mind whammy though.