Sanctuary Cities

Originally posted by Surtur
I also agree they should pass a "Kate's Law" to pull funding from these Sanctuary cities. Some might say it is wrong to do that, but it wouldn't have to be done if they actually enforced the laws in the first place.

I honestly wonder what these cities would do? Would they let their legal citizens suffer just so they can remain "sanctuaries" ? One would like to think they would not. Then again one would of liked to think something this extreme would of never been necessary.

Considering being a sanctuary city is illegal by federal law, I agree.

Obama could really leave office on a truly high note if he started getting laws to pull funding to these cities passed. Not to say he hasn't gotten stuff done already.

Either way we need these laws and not 5 years from now or 3 years from now. Even 1 year is too long.

Did you see the article I posted on the last page about the numbers?

Yeah the numbers are disturbing and here is what I don't even get about the mindset of some of these people: if I am here illegally I am not going to make waves or otherwise draw attention to myself. Yet some of them go out doing stuff like drinking and driving?

It's almost like these individuals who do this want to be deported. Or perhaps they just don't care because they know if deported they can just come right back again.

No accountability backed by a system that does nothing about it.

Now in that article it also says this at the end as to why a certain group opposes it:

"The group said the bill was too weak because it does nothing to address the federal government's release of tens of thousands of immigrants annually who've committed crimes."

Surely they must mean *legal* immigrants are released. But then these people are not breaking the law merely by just being here, so this is not an apt comparison.

The article is saying some also want a mandatory 5 year prison sentence for illegals who have already been deported once and re-enter. I 100% support this, as if we do not do that then we are just setting them free merely so they can come right back into the country again illegally. If we had done that the woman killed would still be alive.

Very true, what I don't get is why so many turn a blind eye to this in the case of amnesty.

What I do not understand is how the people involved still have jobs? They willingly break federal law, why haven't they just been replaced?

Originally posted by riv6672
Hey thanks a lot, Star. This is a pretty interesting subject. And July is yours...👆

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Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
http://www.wnd.com/2006/11/39031/

"Twelve Americans are murdered every day by illegal aliens, according to statistics released by Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa. If those numbers are correct, it translates to 4,380 Americans murdered annually by illegal aliens. That’s 21,900 since Sept. 11, 2001.

Total U.S. troop deaths in Iraq as of last week were reported at 2,863. Total U.S. troop deaths in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Uzbekistan during the five years of the Afghan campaign are currently at 289, according to the Department of Defense.

But the carnage wrought by illegal alien murderers represents only a fraction of the pool of blood spilled by American citizens as a result of an open border and un-enforced immigration laws.

[b]While King reports 12 Americans are murdered daily by illegal aliens, he says 13 are killed by drunk illegal alien drivers – for another annual death toll of 4,745. That’s 23,725 since Sept. 11, 2001.

While no one – in or out of government – tracks all U.S. accidents caused by illegal aliens, the statistical and anecdotal evidence suggests many of last year’s 42,636 road deaths involved illegal aliens." [/B]

Star just in cased you missed this.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Star just in cased you missed this.

Thanks. That's outrageous.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
http://www.wnd.com/2006/11/39031/

"Twelve Americans are murdered every day by illegal aliens, according to statistics released by Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa. If those numbers are correct, it translates to 4,380 Americans murdered annually by illegal aliens. That’s 21,900 since Sept. 11, 2001.

Total U.S. troop deaths in Iraq as of last week were reported at 2,863. Total U.S. troop deaths in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Uzbekistan during the five years of the Afghan campaign are currently at 289, according to the Department of Defense.

But the carnage wrought by illegal alien murderers represents only a fraction of the pool of blood spilled by American citizens as a result of an open border and un-enforced immigration laws.

[b]While King reports 12 Americans are murdered daily by illegal aliens, he says 13 are killed by drunk illegal alien drivers – for another annual death toll of 4,745. That’s 23,725 since Sept. 11, 2001.

While no one – in or out of government – tracks all U.S. accidents caused by illegal aliens, the statistical and anecdotal evidence suggests many of last year’s 42,636 road deaths involved illegal aliens." [/B]

Considering we don't know how those numbers were gotten. Also I find those numbers suspect because that is a third of the Americans killed in a year.

Originally posted by Star428
Thanks. That's outrageous.

Yea, what I don't get is how these people are allowed back in.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Yea, what I don't get is how these people are allowed back in.

They get back in because there is nothing to stop them. Other then the coyotes killing them if they can't pay.

Everyone that says they should be here, I'd like to see them invite them into their homes for sanctuary.

Originally posted by Newjak
I find this number a little suspect at best.

Considering we don't know how those numbers were gotten. Also I find those numbers suspect because that is a third of the Americans killed in a year.

If TI wants to check this out as well

And here's one talking about how many offenders there are as well as problems and crimes (13 men gang raped and filmed a 13 year old girl for example)
http://www.constitutionparty.com/illegal-alien-crime-and-violence-by-the-numbers-were-all-victims/

Great article bran, thanks.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/07/illegal_aliens_murder_at_a_much_higher_rate_than_us_citizens_do.html

If TI wants to check this out as well

And here's one talking about how many offenders there are as well as problems and crimes (13 men gang raped and filmed a 13 year old girl for example)
http://www.constitutionparty.com/illegal-alien-crime-and-violence-by-the-numbers-were-all-victims/

The second one is better.

My only problem with it is that the violent crime statistics are either estimates made by a Congressman or are biased sources such as Center for Immigration Studies.

Now because they are bias does not mean their numbers are wrong but I would definitely like official numbers from the government on illegal crime activities. Which when I try to look up violent crime numbers mostly I just find conservative organizations spewing the same numbers without any links or citations for their sources. That makes me raise an eyebrow that it is the same organizations continuing to say the same things and I can not even find anything close to verifying their numbers.

Originally posted by Newjak
The first one doesn't work.

The second one is better.

My only problem with it is that the violent crime statistics are either estimates made by a Congressman or are biased sources such as Center for Immigration Studies.

Now because they are bias does not mean their numbers are wrong but I would definitely like official numbers from the government on illegal crime activities. Which when I try to look up violent crime numbers mostly I just find conservative organizations spewing the same numbers without any links or citations for their sources. That makes me raise an eyebrow that it is the same organizations continuing to say the same things and I can not even find anything close to verifying their numbers.

Just out of curiosity..if you did somehow get confirmation the numbers were 100% legit what would your reaction be in terms of what should be done about illegal immigration?

Originally posted by Surtur
Just out of curiosity..if you did somehow get confirmation the numbers were 100% legit what would your reaction be in terms of what should be done about illegal immigration?

As it stands though those numbers are extremely suspect and most other things I have seen showcase that there have been no correlation between immigration into areas and increased crime on any meaningful level. As in they can not say that crime increases in an area because of immigration.