Originally posted by carthage
Like Shaak Ti failed to beat a less skilled and hindered Galen Marek?
She was beating him the entire time, furthermore he is already near perfection before he even fights Rahm Kota, he improved with every mission in both skill and power. Whilst he was hindered as was Shaak Ti due to the constant nature of her battle with the planet's dark side.
He is talking about how Galen couldn't reach the Dark Side properly because of her own influence over the planet. What he neglects to mention is that the planet was that way only because of her presence, she is even described as a sole beacon of light in the Dark Side on Felucia.
If i could be bothered i would bring out the TFU sourcebook statements as well but i know full well how Carthage would treat such evidence.
Originally posted by AncientPower
He is talking about how Galen couldn't reach the Dark Side properly because of her own influence over the planet. What he neglects to mention is that the planet was that way only because of her presence, she is even described as a sole beacon of light in the Dark Side on Felucia.If i could be bothered i would bring out the TFU sourcebook statements as well but i know full well how Carthage would treat such evidence.
Conflicting sources, and I don't believe he actually says he struggles to draw on the Dark Side. The Graphic Novel explicitly says the Dark Side was strong on Felucia, just repressed, and that he could unleash it. He also didn't exactly seem to have trouble chaining Lightning and Telekinesis into her in an attempt to survive her bladework.
Edit: Like I said though, any negative effects on him, she also felt. The Dark Side was repressed, OK, sucks to be him. At the same time she's constantly exerting effort to keep it that way.
Originally posted by AncientPower
She was beating him the entire time, furthermore he is already near perfection before he even fights Rahm Kota, he improved with every mission in both skill and power. Whilst he was hindered as was Shaak Ti due to the constant nature of her battle with the planet's dark side.
Troll harder bro.
She became desperate and died and lost the fight, and she was drawing on the energies of the plantlife while he was hindered due to her tilting the balance to the light. Its not hard to understand
She had taken a world enjoying the normal flows between the light and the dark sides of the Force and twisted it out of balance. There was still darkness on Felucia, but it was stifled, frustrated, weakened. He strained to awaken it, to remind it of its proper place in the universe. The light side had held sway for far too long. It was time to redress the issue. Killing Shaak Ti would do that quite nicely.
He also was being pressed by a Shadow guard, was on the losing edge against Kazdan, and was nowhere near his prime in their fight. Beating a hindered opponent isn't as impressive as Ventress forcing Windu to use his skills, beating Kit Fisto, beating multiple Jedi at once, fighting evenly with Obi Wan, or holding off Anakin/Kenobi at once.
SelenialThe fact you said hindered is both hilarious and invalidates your argument completely.
He was not hindered in any way that she wasn't, and in contrast was amped every bit as much as she was.
Other than the text that says that the darkside was stifled? Ok. Makes sense
Originally posted by carthage
Other than the text that says that the darkside was stifled? Ok. Makes sense
You lack a fundamental knowledge of the text, ok I get you now. He says the Dark Side was stifled because Felucia was a Dark Side Nexus for years, and would be afterwards as well. Numerous sources (The Graphic Novel, TFU campaign Guide, The TFU Novel itself later on) all state that Felucia was finely balanced between the Light and the Dark.
The Dark Side was repressed only in the fact it wasn't dominant.
The Force Unleashed Novel:
Kota leaned closer. "Don't be overconfident, boy. Felucia is a world finely balanced between the light and dark sides of the Force. Shaak Ti was the only thing keeping it from being consumed by darkness. If anything's happened to her, your experience in the hut will seem like a bad dream in comparison."
The Graphic Novel:
"The Dark Side was strong on Felucia, and Shaak Ti was a beacon in that Darkness"
Originally posted by carthage
Troll harder bro.She became desperate and died and lost the fight, and she was drawing on the energies of the plantlife while he was hindered due to her tilting the balance to the light. Its not hard to understand
He also was being pressed by a Shadow guard, was on the losing edge against Kazdan, and was nowhere near his prime in their fight. Beating a hindered opponent isn't as impressive as Ventress forcing Windu to use his skills, beating Kit Fisto, beating multiple Jedi at once, fighting evenly with Obi Wan, or holding off Anakin/Kenobi at once.
Other than the text that says that the darkside was stifled? Ok. Makes sense
YOU are the one trolling or you just aren't educated concerning the fight.
Graphic novel: She spends half the time just talking to him, she isn't even going all out and when she does try he gets overwhelmed, such as her Kinetite wrecking him.
Novelisation: Galen can barely hold on in their fight, she overwhelmed his defenses and only an instinctual TK stopped Ti from cutting his skull in half. She was his better in every manner and had him constantly desperate to just survive.
Shaak Ti stopped the Dark Side from holding full sway over the planet, this is stated multiple times which you blatantly ignore to suit your ill-placed argument.
Using your own poor logic: Kazdan and Kota lost to a less skilled Galen than the one that lost to Shaak Ti, this is me ignoring context, seem familiar Carthage? Shaak Ti's death came directly before Vader's betrayal and whilst it was stated he became more powerful after his recovery it isn't close to the gap you portray it as.
Originally posted by AncientPower
YOU are the one trolling or you just aren't educated concerning the fight.In the graphic novel she spends half the time just talking to him, she isn't even going all out and when she does try he gets overwhelmed, such as her Kinetite wrecking him.
In the novel, Galen can barely hold on in their fight, she overwhelmed his defenses and only an instinctual TK stopped Ti from cutting his skull in half. She was his better in every manner and had him constantly desperate to just survive.
Shaak Ti stopped the Dark Side from holding full sway over the planet, this is stated multiple times which you blatantly ignore to suit your ill-placed argument.
Using your own poor logic: Kazdan lost, Kota lost and the Shadow Guard lost. This is me ignoring context, seem familiar Carthage?
Shaak Ti's death came directly before Vader's betrayal and whilst it was stated he became more powerful after his recovery it isn't close to the gap you portray it as.
Different sources don't invalidate what's depicted in the novel bro, it notes that the dark side is stifled and she had an abundance of plant lift do draw off of while the text says itself the dark side was stifled and that the only way to correct this was killing her. I,e she's in the advantageous position of having an amp and an opponent whose drawing on the side of the force that's weakened per text. Again please show me anything contradicting the fight as depicted in the text of the novel that disproves my point of Marek being weakened. If your done deepthroating your favorite character like you always do, you've got nothing to suggest Ti is more skilled than Ventress or Maul without her amp
Shaak Ti's death came directly before Vader's betrayal and whilst it was stated he became more powerful after his recovery it isn't close to the gap you portray it as
You're using a version of Marek that exists after the point in time of the fight with Ti and a duelist that doesn't even remotely compare to the individuals I listed for Ventress. Keep trying bro.
Originally posted by Selenial
You lack a fundamental knowledge of the text, ok I get you now. He says the Dark Side was stifled because Felucia was a Dark Side Nexus for years, and would be afterwards as well. Numerous sources (The Graphic Novel, TFU campaign Guide, The TFU Novel itself later on) all state that Felucia was finely balanced between the Light and the Dark.The Dark Side was repressed only in the fact it wasn't dominant.
None of that changes the fact that it was stifled, and this would logically hinder his ability to call on the force as a darksider. She also had the plantlife as an additional amp if anything.
The canonical statement says that the darkside was stifled. Let me give you a simple definition of the word stifled so you can stop hiding behind the incongruity of texts and actually respond properly to the point you can't seem to disprove:
[quote]sti·fle 1 (stī′fəl)
tr.v. sti·fled, sti·fling, sti·fles
1. To interrupt or cut off (the voice, for example).
2. To keep in or hold back; repress: stifled my indignation.
3. To kill by preventing respiration; smother or suffocate.
I know you want to wank Shaak Ti desperately, but please find any quote that would disprove the fact that she was outfighting a Galen who was utilizing the force in an environment that favored Shaak Ti. Please I'm waiting.
Kota leaned closer. "Don't be overconfident, boy. Felucia is a world finely balanced between the light and dark sides of the Force. Shaak Ti was the only thing keeping it from being consumed by darkness. If anything's happened to her, your experience in the hut will seem like a bad dream in comparison."
Felucia is a world finely balanced between the light and dark sides of the Force. Shaak Ti was the only thing keeping it from being consumed by darkness.
All that happened here was your misinterpretation of Galen Marek's statement. Felucia normally is consumed by the Dark Side as we saw after she died, Shaak Ti's presence on Felucia kept the planet balanced in the Force:
"The Dark Side was strong on Felucia, and Shaak Ti was a beacon in that Darkness"
"Felucia is a planet intimately tied to the Living Force, the presence of a powerful Force user, dark or light, can drastically effect the environment."
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
People actually deny Shaak Ti was amped?LMFAO.
Source she was amped? She spent years communing with the planet and stopped the full corruption of Felucia, she also trained the Shamans in the Jedi way. She has a natural capability to use plant surge and such.
All of which is great, but again source she was amped in any manner? She held off the inherent Dark Side nature in Felucia with her own Light Side power.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Ah yes, because we all know Maul stomps Galen Marek. Please.
I would't be so sure. There is a versus series video of Maul vs Marek which is pretty good. Maul might be outclassed in terms of force powers but Galen might have a hard time dealing with him is he's constantly rushing him.