Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I wonder where Storm fits in the h2h list of Marvel hmm
Wow, a whole panel?
I wonder where you rank in terms of lowball artists? Are you seriously questioning his hand to hand, because there are hundreds of examples of him dominating highly skilled/strong/deadly opponents which represent his average. Hope that was fun for you. Wait, is that Ben Grim ownage?
Originally posted by SasuOna
lol BP is only impressive when he's been amped without the HSH amp he's maybe a mid tier MA and a very good tactician
He doesn't need an amp and he's been a complete beast since literally his first appearance. Do some research. Here, I'll get you started. Here is what a non-amped BP did decades ago, something Bruce couldn't dream of:
There's your superior strength, skill, toughness, agility all rolled into two panels. Now, are you impressed?
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
He doesn't need an amp and he's been a complete beast since literally his first appearance. Do some research. Here, I'll get you started. Here is what a non-amped BP did decades ago, something Bruce couldn't dream
Bruce couldn't dream of launching a rock at a dinosaurs head? You might want to bone up on your Batman mythos, mate.
Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Bruce couldn't dream of launching a rock at a dinosaurs head? You might want to bone up on your Batman mythos, mate.
Did you look at how he did it? Sorta relevant to the point. Not, Bruce couldn't dream of pulling off that feat, and this was not a so called "amped" BP.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Did you look at how he did it? Sorta relevant to the point. Not, Bruce couldn't dream of pulling off that feat, and this was not a so called "amped" BP.
So... Bruce can kill White Martians, and brawl with 100 ton bricks, but he can't use a tree as a sling shot?
May I ask what brings you to this conclusion?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85stop trying to start a fight. We both know that he was holding back immensely and that if he was serious, he would have literally ripped her in half.
I wonder where Storm fits in the h2h list of Marvel hmm
Originally posted by Khazra Rebornthere are thousands of examples of PIS in batman's history. About ninety percent of the characters that he fights miraculously forget how to use their brain or other abilities. Seriously, what is wrong with some of you? Batman dodges punches from superman and suddenly he's capable of doing it all the time, but T'challa puts silver surfer in and armlock and everyone screams bullsh*t?
So... Bruce can kill White Martians, and brawl with 100 ton bricks, but he can't use a tree as a sling shot?May I ask what brings you to this conclusion?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I wonder where Storm fits in the h2h list of Marvel hmm*image skipped*
Great avi and sig. Make sure to follow Abhiman every thread he goes to, please 👆
On topic - Storm is a good melee fighter. Without her powers, she fought:
1) Ursa Major. Embarrassed him pretty bad.
2) Cyclops. Beaten him, despite Scottie using his pew-pew blasts.
3) One of Forge's "mutant" abominations -- admittedly, she used a knife, but powerless Emma who's had a fair share of experience in hth thanks to the use of her diamond form, completely retreated from the fight...
4) Srank also mentioned that Crimson Commando (pre-M Day) couldn't beat her. Commando is basically the homo superior version of Captain America.
Originally posted by deathslash
stop trying to start a fight. We both know that he was holding back immensely and that if he was serious, he would have literally ripped her in half. there are thousands of examples of PIS in batman's history. About ninety percent of the characters that he fights miraculously forget how to use their brain or other abilities. Seriously, what is wrong with some of you? Batman dodges punches from superman and suddenly he's capable of doing it all the time, but T'challa puts silver surfer in and armlock and everyone screams bullsh*t?
Exactly. Batman does the equivalent of the BP armbar on regular, yet he receives nothing but support. Face it, the Batman bias is like no other and that includes Superman. You can be faster, stronger, more skilled, smarter, richer, have a better fighting record and it doesn't mean a thing. Batman fans make these posts simply to jerk off to. The don't take any opponent seriously. I learned today Batman = a White Martian.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
No, Crossbones would beat the blood out of Batman personally. Bigger, stronger, tougher and highly skilled. They should have been no lower than second on the list.
Respect Crossbones
Originally posted by deathslash
stop trying to start a fight. We both know that he was holding back immensely and that if he was serious, he would have literally ripped her in half. there are thousands of examples of PIS in batman's history. About ninety percent of the characters that he fights miraculously forget how to use their brain or other abilities. Seriously, what is wrong with some of you? Batman dodges punches from superman and suddenly he's capable of doing it all the time, but T'challa puts silver surfer in and armlock and everyone screams bullsh*t?
At what point does it stop being PIS, and his average, though? Like you yourself said, he has thousands of examples. You brought up one example of T'Challa and Surfer, but when weighed against Bruce's '1000s'.....
I might as well say that Spiderman/Hulk/most of Marvel are all PIS, because radiation does not work that way - it does not give you powers.
But guess what, comics have shown that they do. Multiple instances of it.
So if we use 'real life' physics and biology to apply to Batman ('Hahaha he's ONLY human!'😉 then should we not use 'real-life' physics and biology to apply everyone else?
And I brought it that panel up, as I remember BAV bringing up a Deathstroke vs WW fight as proof of her having relatively mediocre reflexes. Strange how he has excuses for some characters, but not others.
[Adamantium/Batman] is a completely fictional [metal/human] that exists in comics. Although fictional, [Adamantium/Batman] has properties just like real world [metals/humans]. [It/He] has [a melting point/two arms], [density/two legs], etc.
However, despite being just a [metal/human], they have abilities FAR beyond what I have seen. No [metal/human] can do the things [it/he] can do. Comic writers have taken the properties of [metals/humans], and ramped them up to the nth degree. [It/He] is harder/tougher/stronger than any mere[metal/human] can ever be.
Therefore, despite all the showings that [adamantium/Batman] has, I will reject them, because [it/he] is just a [metal/man].
That last sentence is the crucial bit. We're not talking about one-offs. You yourself talk about the 1000s of showings he has showcasing his victories. If I were to approach adamantium from the perspective of a material scientist, then I would just reject it for PIS reasons.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
At what point does it stop being PIS, and his average, though? Like you yourself said, he has thousands of examples. You brought up one example of T'Challa and Surfer, but when weighed against Bruce's '1000s'.....I might as well say that Spiderman/Hulk/most of Marvel are all PIS, because radiation does not work that way - it does not give you powers.
But guess what, comics have shown that they do. Multiple instances of it.
So if we use 'real life' physics and biology to apply to Batman ('Hahaha he's ONLY human!'😉 then should we not use 'real-life' physics and biology to apply everyone else?
And I brought it that panel up, as I remember BAV bringing up a Deathstroke vs WW fight as proof of her having relatively mediocre reflexes. Strange how he has excuses for some characters, but not others.
That's not what PIS is.
And no you don't remember me making that argument concerning Wonder Woman. I never once said or suggested that she doesn't have top tier reflexes. The point in that scenario is that for whatever reason, she didn't display or use her top tier reflexes which is oft the case with Heralds with super speed and super reflexes. Stop twisting things for your own benefit.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
[Adamantium/Batman] is a completely fictional [metal/human] that exists in comics. Although fictional, [Adamantium/Batman] has properties just like real world [metals/humans]. [It/He] has [a melting point/two arms], [density/two legs], etc.However, despite being just a [metal/human], they have abilities FAR beyond what I have seen. No [metal/human] can do the things [it/he] can do. Comic writers have taken the properties of [metals/humans], and ramped them up to the nth degree. [It/He] is harder/tougher/stronger than any mere[metal/human] can ever be.
Therefore, despite all the showings that [adamantium/Batman] has, I will reject them, because [it/he] is just a [metal/man].
That last sentence is the crucial bit. We're not talking about one-offs. You yourself talk about the 1000s of showings he has showcasing his victories. If I were to approach adamantium from the perspective of a material scientist, then I would just reject it for PIS reasons.
Once again, that is NOT PIS. Your understanding of plot induced stupidity is non-existent. It has nothing to do with the starting point of a characters powers. It has everything to do with powers being ignored or dumbed down for the benefit of the PLOT. For you to bring up the powers themselves and how they originated let's everyone know you have no concept of PIS.
