John McCain
I love the young Turks, they cut through the BS.
McCain is not the person he says he is and has lied about his record.
This is about him lying about his POW time, and Ross Perot slamming McCain.
Here is one about his wife who he abandoned, who stayed faithful to him his entire POW encampment, he came home, he dumped her to trade up to Cindy.
I'm starting to agree with Trump that McCain was no hero. From what I have been reading he was no "hell of a pilot" or a "maverick" either.
Maverick never got shot down, while he did fly dangerous he was a bad ass pilot.
What McCain did by lying about his pow time is pretty disgraceful. Why would you need to lie about anything as a PoW?
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
I'm starting to agree with Trump that McCain was no hero. From what I have been reading he was no "hell of a pilot" or a "maverick" either.Maverick never got shot down, while he did fly dangerous he was a bad ass pilot.
What McCain did by lying about his pow time is pretty disgraceful. Why would you need to lie about anything as a PoW?
Oh come on man, you're messed up. He made up a story about a guard, one that's somewhat similar to an incident that actually happened and you try to rip him apart? He did serve his country, and he was a prisoner of war, no one denies that, what you are doing is really distasteful though.
I respect him for his service, but holy hell though..the guy was apparently shot down while flying something, and ended up a POW for YEARS. I am not knocking him for that, I am looking at those facts and saying..why the f*ck did he need to make up a story? That is plenty of story right there. What did he have the most boring plane crash ever? And the most mundane POW experience in the history of the Vietnam War?
On one hand he probably isn't the first or the last vet to embellish stuff. On the other hand he isn't just a normal vet, but a politician so when they lie it is more disturbing I think to people.
Actually the most disturbing part for me came from watching that Young Turks video. Since you find out McCain didn't just lie, he RAN AN AD about this lie. That, to me, is messed up. It's one thing to be bullshitting to people and embellish, maybe after a few drinks, but a friggin ad? That is a calculated move.
Originally posted by vansonbee
^ The made up story probably helped his career throughout these years. I'm a bit thankful he and his running partner didn't win the 2008 election.What a sad way to end a relationship with a woman who supported him during POW, for a younger ass to tap, I rather value trust.
He said "I could barley look at my wife."
Apparently his first wife was very tall and beautiful before the accident. After all the reconstructive surgery she lost 4-5" of her height as well.
Cindy at the time was heir to one of the largest beer distributors in the nation for Anheiser-Bush, which now she owns.
He not only ditched his first wife for looks but traded up for beauty, money and power. I have no respect for this man. On top of that he ran the most pathetic presidential campaign.
Originally posted by Surtur
Actually the most disturbing part for me came from watching that Young Turks video. Since you find out McCain didn't just lie, he RAN AN AD about this lie. That, to me, is messed up. It's one thing to be bullshitting to people and embellish, maybe after a few drinks, but a friggin ad? That is a calculated move.
Cold and calculated based in a lie.
It gets even worse as the video would go on. He originally said that when he was a POW and they'd ask about his unit he would name off Green Bay Packers players. This is what he always said, but then when he was in Pittsburgh campaigning he changed the story and said it was the Pittsburgh football team.
Now I understand why so many vets hate him.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Oh come on man, you're messed up. He made up a story about a guard, one that's somewhat similar to an incident that actually happened and you try to rip him apart? He did serve his country, and he was a prisoner of war, no one denies that, what you are doing is really distasteful though.
A person like you would defend an indefensible and absolute morally wrong position of character. After all you support every other kind of lawlessness in America. After all you don't even live here, so you opinion is of a peanut gallery cheerleader.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Oh come on man, you're messed up. He made up a story about a guard, one that's somewhat similar to an incident that actually happened and you try to rip him apart? He did serve his country, and he was a prisoner of war, no one denies that, what you are doing is really distasteful though.
Hold on though I think you really misrepresented what McCain did. You acted like he just took something that happened to him and tweaked some details. But that is not true. Another soldier had written a book where they describe the exact same story with the cross being drawn happening to them, and this is a book McCain admits to having read before.
He outright plagiarized another soldiers experience and then used it as the basis for an ad for his campaign. How do you not find that really distasteful?
This is a years old thing. All of this might have been vaguely interesting if the accusation as made was true.
But it isn't- Solzhenitsyn's The Gulag Archipelago contains no story about a cross in the dirt whatsoever. (Incidentally, Solzhenitsyn was a political activist rather than a soldier).
There's an anecdotal story flying around that Solzhenitsyn had such an experience, so you could infer that it is possible McCain either copied or confused that, but that's a very vague accusation (because no-one can even trace where the apparent Solzhenitsyn story comes from, not to mention that the anecdote is about another prisoner, not a guard). What certainly did not happen is that McCain read a book and copied a story from it for his own political ends.
Again, this is nothing to do with opinion. Feel free to go read The Gulag Archipelago. The story simply is not there. The accusation is misinformed.
If you want to draw moral conclusions about McCain's character based on his marital issues, fine. All I can tell you is that there is no evidence that he copied or made up his story, and the evidence cited in that video is in error.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Again, this is nothing to do with opinion. Feel free to go read The Gulag Archipelago. The story simply is not there. The accusation is misinformed.If you want to draw moral conclusions about McCain's character based on his marital issues, fine. All I can tell you is that there is no evidence that he copied or made up his story, and the evidence cited in that video is in error.
Okay fair enough if that part was wrong, he didn't plagiarize his story..he just flat out made it up and then used his lie in a campaign ad. So I don't think you need to dip into his marital issues to draw moral conclusions about him. Unless you are saying everything TYT's said was a lie or them being misinformed? The Pittsburgh story? The cross story never happening in the first place?
Originally posted by jaden101
News just in...politician lies!
Nobody was acting like he was the first to lie. But just because politicians are known for lying doesn't mean he gets a pass.
It isn't the lie, it is the kind of lie: lying about his time as a POW in order to manipulate people into voting for him. It is one thing to wine and dine some voters and maybe lie to them about your stance on certain issues or lie about the measures you will take to fix certain issues..but this is entirely different.
Also please, we have taken politicians to task for MUCH less. Clinton got friggin impeached because the dude lied about getting a damn blowjob. Even worse is..Clinton had reason to lie! How would it of looked if he told the truth? Doesn't make it right or anything. But McCain? There was zero reason for this.
Originally posted by Surtur
Nobody was acting like he was the first to lie. But just because politicians are known for lying doesn't mean he gets a pass.It isn't the lie, it is the kind of lie: lying about his time as a POW in order to manipulate people into voting for him. It is one thing to wine and dine some voters and maybe lie to them about your stance on certain issues or lie about the measures you will take to fix certain issues..but this is entirely different.
Also please, we have taken politicians to task for MUCH less. Clinton got friggin impeached because the dude lied about getting a damn blowjob. Even worse is..Clinton had reason to lie! How would it of looked if he told the truth? Doesn't make it right or anything. But McCain? There was zero reason for this.
1. There was actual evidence Clinton lied- the idea McCain lied is speculation
2. Clinton was charged with perjury and obstruction of justice.
Totally different.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
1. There was actual evidence Clinton lied- the idea McCain lied is speculation2. Clinton was charged with perjury and obstruction of justice.
Totally different.
So you are saying McCain didn't change his story? He wrote a report about his experience in Vietnam and did not mention it, you are saying that is also pure speculation?