RotS Vader and RotJ Vader vs. Revan Vitiate

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RotS Vader and RotJ Vader vs. Revan Vitiate

* RotS Vader as of operation Knightfall
* RotJ Vader (both Legends and Canon feats apply)
* Vitiate as seen in Revan novel.

Setting: Mustafar

No amp/prep time.

Who wins?

TP decides this.

Vaders.

The Vaders win. An amped Vitiate in the novel could've potentially lost to an amped Scourge, weakened Revan, and weakened Surik. On neutral ground, he's no match for a superior team. His TP might give him a couple of wins.

That was Scourge's vision. He saw thousands of those visions. Doesn't mean we have to take them all seriously. After he truly faced the Emperor, his verdict was that they didn't stand a chance. And more importantly, Revan's team had an advantage of knowing about Vitiate and his TP attacks so they were ready for it. Vaders won't have that advantage.

Revan solos the vaders

Vitiate easily TP's RotS Anakin and Vader may fall soon after in the same way. If not, he gets annihilated.

Vitiate is garbage and gets raped, Revan follows shortly.

Why are people acting like Revan is in this mmm

Am I missing something?

I think you're missing the very obvious "and" that is not in between "Revan Vitiate". Thankfully others are not as constrained by reality as you.

Originally posted by Sinious
That was Scourge's vision. He saw thousands of those visions. Doesn't mean we have to take them all seriously. After he truly faced the Emperor, his verdict was that they didn't stand a chance. And more importantly, Revan's team had an advantage of knowing about Vitiate and his TP attacks so they were ready for it. Vaders won't have that advantage.

I know, but he notes that any of them could've been real. This is a stronger team too, so I'd say the odds are stacked with them, particularly since this is on neutral ground.

Even if Vitiate TP's one of them, it's quite possible the other will reach and kill him in time. I did admit his TP could give him some wins anyway.

That team was prepared against his TP. This one is not.

No dark side nexus and stronger Force adepts? Team wins.

@Neph - Vitiate's TP on the nexus, perhaps. On neutral ground, he isn't dominating this team mentally for the win - or at least not every time.

Who gives a shit about a nexus. Anakin's mind is pathetic and will easily fall and Vader has nothing on Vitiate. Sidious put him on his knee's from across the galaxy, Vitiate would devour him. They lack the defense Revan developed.

The nexus matters because it was a maximum concentration feat even on the nexus.

Anakin's mind is prone to manipulation from people like Palpatine whom he placed his trust in. That doesn't make his mind pathetic by any means, considering his raw strength (and at times, willpower) is rather remarkable.

And again, even if Vitiate dominated one, the other could reach and kill him. As per the novel, it required Vitiate's complete focus on dominating an individual's mind, even on the nexus.

lol @ trying to reason with Neph in regards to Anakin

lol @ trying to argue with Neph in regards to nexus feats

Originally posted by SunRazer
The nexus matters because it was a maximum concentration feat even on the nexus.

Anakin's mind is prone to manipulation from people like Palpatine whom he placed his trust in. That doesn't make his mind pathetic by any means, considering his raw strength (and at times, willpower) is rather remarkable.

And again, even if Vitiate dominated one, the other could reach and kill him. As per the novel, it required Vitiate's complete focus on dominating an individual's mind, even on the nexus.

Irrelevant.

Anakin's a moron and borderline insane. Particularly in his Vader incarnation. His strength and willpower doesn't surpass that of Revan and Malak, who fell to Vitiate nigh-instantly. He has no telepathic resistance feats I know of. And his mental showings include he, Obi-Wan and Windu struggling to compel Cad Bane to do something. Unlike Revan who trained under a telepathic master and was exceedingly well versed in the subject.

Wrong, because neither of them would be capable of attacking him while he's mentally assaulting them. Neither remotely approaches Revan's mental resistance and lack his prepared telepathic shield. Like Scourge, they'd experience the power of the Emperor's mind in contact with theirs. And like when Sidious admonished Vader, they wouldn't take it particularly well. Alternatively, he can just break it off and toss the charging Vader across the room.

Even barring TP, Vitiate can one-shot Anakin at his leisure and crush Vader in a straight fight.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Who gives a shit about a nexus. Anakin's mind is pathetic and will easily fall and Vader has nothing on Vitiate. Sidious put him on his knee's from across the galaxy, Vitiate would devour him. They lack the defense Revan developed.

Nah. Anakin's will and power were such that he cowed the Son and Daughter. There's no evidence to suggest he'd fall to Vitiate's mindhaxx. Especially when Vitiate has no nexus or prep.

The Vaders stomp.