The power of Darth Bane - a gauntlet
How powerful is Darth Bane? [DoE Bane runs the gauntlet]
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Here are some matchups to see where we all stand:
Setting: Tatooine desert
No amp/prep time.
Bane gets full power and health restored after each battle.
1) DoE Bane vs Uthar Wynn
2) DoE Bane vs Asajj Ventress
3) DoE Bane vs SoD Maul
4) DoE Bane vs RotJ Vader
5) DoE Bane vs RotS Palpatine
The point of the Rule of Two was to attack the Jedi using the tools of deception and secrecy, rather than war and combat, and to encourage the apprentice to overthrow his master using those same methods, thereby ensuring that the order became more effective over time to perform in that specific capacity. The idea that it was intended for successive generations to actually become stronger in the Force/more adept in combat is a huge misconception on the parts of some, and blatant misinformation being handed out by others. Strength in the Force is hugely important in determing how powerful and adept in combat a Force User is and Bane is one of the naturally most powerful people we've ever come across (the fulfillment of the most important Sith prophecy that specifically spoke of his incredible power), so the idea that the order would have produced more powerful Force Users over time is simply idiotic.
This approach of completely disregarding feats simply because they happened on nexuses is simply an example of an incredibly unrefined methodology. I don't think there's even a single example of a nexus that has characters performing at close to twice the level they usually perform at (roughly speaking) and many examples where they perform at best marginally better (e.g. Dooku on Vjun against Yoda where he is still beaten despite numerous situational advantages). And in Bane's case specifically and his destruction of the rakatan temple on Lehon, there's absolutely nothing in the narration to suggest that the amp was anywhere near as high as people would like to claim. He simply makes a casual observation that the Force was really strong on the world, nothing that would indicate that his powers had grown to incredible new heights.
It would be absurd to suggest that his powers were even doubled, and the temple was so large that you could probably reduce it tenfold and it would still be an incredible feat of telekinesis.
Originally posted by appletonia
The point of the Rule of Two was to attack the Jedi using the tools of deception and secrecy, rather than war and combat, and to encourage the apprentice to overthrow his master using those same methods, thereby ensuring that the order became more effective over time to perform in that specific capacity. The idea that it was intended for successive generations to actually become stronger in the Force/more adept in combat is a huge misconception on the parts of some, and blatant misinformation being handed out by others. Strength in the Force is hugely important in determing how powerful and adept in combat a Force User is and Bane is one of the naturally most powerful people we've ever come across (the fulfillment of the most important Sith prophecy that specifically spoke of his incredible power), so the idea that the order would have produced more powerful Force Users over time is simply idiotic.This approach of completely disregarding feats simply because they happened on nexuses is simply an example of an incredibly unrefined methodology. I don't think there's even a single example of a nexus that has characters performing at close to twice the level they usually perform at (roughly speaking) and many examples where they perform at best marginally better (e.g. Dooku on Vjun against Yoda where he is still beaten despite numerous situational advantages). And in Bane's case specifically and his destruction of the rakatan temple on Lehon, there's absolutely nothing in the narration to suggest that the amp was anywhere near as high as people would like to claim. He simply makes a casual observation that the Force was really strong on the world, nothing that would indicate that his powers had grown to incredible new heights.
It would be absurd to suggest that his powers were even doubled, and the temple was so large that you could probably reduce it tenfold and it would still be an incredible feat of telekinesis.
BTW .. where do you think he stops, apple?
Originally posted by The Merchant
It's said in TPM scrapbook that in the rule of two the successor of Dark Lord is more powerful than the previous successor.
More powerful in the sense of being more skilled in the methodology that the Rule of Two built itself around. You need to stop thinking of the ROT Sith as fighters but as schemers. A more powerful schemer is someone who has greater skill at orchestrating schemes.
Originally posted by appletoniaSo it means politcal power. I think I've seen this argument before...mmm
More powerful in the sense of being more skilled in the methodology that the Rule of Two built itself around. You need to stop thinking of the ROT Sith as fighters but as schemers. A more powerful schemer is someone who has greater skill at orchestrating schemes.
Originally posted by appletonia
More powerful in the sense of being more skilled in the methodology that the Rule of Two built itself around. You need to stop thinking of the ROT Sith as fighters but as schemers. A more powerful schemer is someone who has greater skill at orchestrating schemes.