god cable vs superman

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That's a good point, actually. Would Cable be fighting at full potential, or would he be in character, saving the world etc?

Saving the world was not in character, it was his motivation at the time. Superman's motivation is also saying the world, so that's a wash. The fact is during his fight with SS, Cable a) never stopped concentrating his efforts on other things INCLUDING maintaining the floating city of Greymalkin and b) intended to die in order that the world see that they were able to work together united. So, imagine if Superman had to face the full brunt of Cable's TK/TP assault. It would be ugly.

Originally posted by abhilegend Grodd only has gone against Superman either with an amp or when Superman was weakened by Lex's kryptonite armor.

Superman outright resisted Despero in JLA when he was mindcontrolling J'onn and Aquaman.

http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/desperotelepathy1.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/desperotelepathy2.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/desperotelepathy3.jpg

Agamemno only switched his consciousness with Lex when they were ambushed and he was a monster TP wise.

Superman outright ejected Jericho from his body twice.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/DCUDecisions03a.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/DCUDecisions03b.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/DCUDecisions03c.jpg

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/titans010a.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/titans010b.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/titans010c.jpg

Pacifier didn't actually used psi, it used nervous system control on him.

David Gundersen used a machine to swap his consciousness with Superman.

Prana and Zahara both failed to do anything to Superman. Just connecting with his mind nearly killed Prana.

Macrolatts were not psi, they were energy beings who resided in Superman's body.

Silver Banshee even learning his kryptonian name could not do more than disorient him when it is supposed to kill everybody instantly.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23826739/ManOfSteel131l.jpg.html

As for Sleez, he could only influence Superman while he was unconscious.

http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/23826851_Action_Comics_593_-_19.jpg

Kosnor also did not use psi on him, he used to control his motor functions. Anymore low showings you want to tell us?

Grodd looks just fine owning Superman here with TP and the placebo effect lol.

Your Despero scans specifically say Superman can't resist his TP, and Despero gets interrupted whenever he's trying to TP Superman. Here, try this on for size:

Agamemno did it so casually, simply had Luthor touch Superman to switch their minds. Shouldn't feel bad though, the same thing happened to the rest of the league. It was a fun story. Although Sinestro in Hal's body beating a Guardian was a little weird.

Pacifier was specifically stated to be a psychic parasite. It's even bolded in the scan. You don't think Cable with his monstrous TK and TP can affect Superman the same way?

I forgot about Barda knocking Superman out with the Mega Rod before Sleeze mind-controlled him.

Then there's Zizik taking out Superman with a mind-bolt.

Remember the time Silver Banshee puts Superman in a trance and forces him to marry her? They technically do get married, and I don't remember them annulling the marriage...
http://s10.postimg.org/jee4xw2ll/Banshee.jpg
http://s10.postimg.org/rim92mp0p/Banshee2.jpg
http://s7.postimg.org/nd7q57q17/Banshee3.jpg

Superman specifically says Kosnor used "telepathic compulsion", to bring him to his knees and imprison them.
http://s9.postimg.org/h5np22h4f/Kosnor_o.jpg
http://s9.postimg.org/4czl255in/Kosnor.jpg

Darn, out of space for images, there are plenty more, but I think people get the picture.

But I like how Rao thinks only Superman fanboys read Superman comics. Superman fanboys (and notice I said fanboys and not fans because there's a big difference) are exactly the people you want to avoid when it comes to interpreting Superman comics. It's been shown time and time again the feats are grossly exaggerated to the point where Super fanboys think Superman is on average some unbeatable abstract/skyfather level.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Not sure why a telpath affecting Superman who is not on the level of omgwtfzorx beings is considered a low showing for him. God Cable is a powerful telepath. It is just another weapon he will use against Superman if they ever meet on opposing sides. Not saying that it will be totally 100% effective in defeating Supes, but it will affect him more often than not. It's ridiculous that some here are claiming that nothing short of a skyfather ++ will not hurt Superman telepathically.

The reality is, if you just read through any random Superman volume, most of the time you'll see him struggling and being defeated by people ranging from trans and herald level to meta level. This happens all the time, the problem is Superman fanboys take some high showings and act like that's his average.

Here's a bonus scan everyone can enjoy; Barda being mind-controlled to be a stripper:

Originally posted by One-Punch
Grodd looks just fine owning Superman here with TP and the placebo effect lol.

Your Despero scans specifically say Superman can't resist his TP, and Despero gets interrupted whenever he's trying to TP Superman. Here, try this on for size:

Agamemno did it so casually, simply had Luthor touch Superman to switch their minds. Shouldn't feel bad though, the same thing happened to the rest of the league. It was a fun story. Although Sinestro in Hal's body beating a Guardian was a little weird.

Pacifier was specifically stated to be a [b]psychic parasite. It's even bolded in the scan. You don't think Cable with his monstrous TK and TP can affect Superman the same way?

I forgot about Barda knocking Superman out with the Mega Rod before Sleeze mind-controlled him.

Then there's Zizik taking out Superman with a mind-bolt.

Remember the time Silver Banshee puts Superman in a trance and forces him to marry her? They technically do get married, and I don't remember them annulling the marriage...
http://s10.postimg.org/jee4xw2ll/Banshee.jpg
http://s10.postimg.org/rim92mp0p/Banshee2.jpg
http://s7.postimg.org/nd7q57q17/Banshee3.jpg

Superman specifically says Kosnor used "telepathic compulsion", to bring him to his knees and imprison them.
http://s9.postimg.org/h5np22h4f/Kosnor_o.jpg
http://s9.postimg.org/4czl255in/Kosnor.jpg

Darn, out of space for images, there are plenty more, but I think people get the picture.

But I like how Rao thinks only Superman fanboys read Superman comics. Superman fanboys (and notice I said fanboys and not fans because there's a big difference) are exactly the people you want to avoid when it comes to interpreting Superman comics. It's been shown time and time again the feats are grossly exaggerated to the point where Super fanboys think Superman is on average some unbeatable abstract/skyfather level. [/B]

Damn Abby, just quit. You too, RAO. You can't have been more exposed.

All shit talking aside, Punch is 100% correct about how you clowns don't understand or refuse to accept that because characters like Superman are all over the place, the board goes by AVERAGES. You should be fine with this because although Superman's performances show a wide range of variance, he still has a fairly high means. In other words, you genius don't even have to resort to arguing exclusively from the high end (Abby), portraying him out of character (h1) and lying (Abby, RAO) like you are so willing to do on a daily basis. This proves you all are a fanboys, not fans.

Originally posted by One-Punch
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The reality is, if you just read through any random Superman volume, most of the time you'll see him struggling and being defeated by people ranging from trans and herald level to meta level. This happens all the time, the problem is Superman fanboys take some high showings and act like that's his average.

Here's a bonus scan everyone can enjoy; Barda being mind-controlled to be a stripper:

Maxima too has affected Superman psionically.

http://s553.photobucket.com/user/galanphotobook/media/maxima_telepathy20.jpg.html
http://s553.photobucket.com/user/galanphotobook/media/maxima_telepathy21.jpg.html
http://s553.photobucket.com/user/galanphotobook/media/maxima_telepathy22.jpg.html

http://s553.photobucket.com/user/galanphotobook/media/maxima_psibolt12.jpg.html

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Maxima too has affected Superman psionically.

http://s553.photobucket.com/user/galanphotobook/media/maxima_telepathy20.jpg.html
http://s553.photobucket.com/user/galanphotobook/media/maxima_telepathy21.jpg.html
http://s553.photobucket.com/user/galanphotobook/media/maxima_telepathy22.jpg.html

http://s553.photobucket.com/user/galanphotobook/media/maxima_psibolt12.jpg.html

Affected? More like ass ****ed his mind.

Cable turned the world pink. Pretty sure he could turn the sun red.

Does superman have testes for this battle or just standard equipment

Originally posted by One-Punch
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The reality is, if you just read through any random Superman volume, most of the time you'll see him struggling and being defeated by people ranging from trans and herald level to meta level. This happens all the time, the problem is Superman fanboys take some high showings and act like that's his average.

Correct.

Originally posted by One-Punch
Here's a bonus scan everyone can enjoy; Barda being mind-controlled to be a stripper:

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Sleez must've used her a lot off-panel 😛

Originally posted by One-Punch
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The reality is, if you just read through any random Superman volume, most of the time you'll see him struggling and being defeated by people ranging from trans and herald level to meta level. This happens all the time, the problem is Superman fanboys take some high showings and act like that's his average.

Here's a bonus scan everyone can enjoy; Barda being mind-controlled to be a stripper:

this is very true. thing is with superman, he has so many showings, that it's easy to find showings that contradict the above. i could see cable winning some of these, but trying to figure out how many is really tough given his range of showings.

Kind of hard to say... Cable was pretty much half dead when he fought Surfer. But his durability was questionable at best, it would be conceivable for Superman to just bum rush Cable and beat him into a coma. But I could see Cable getting into Clarks mind as well, so I guess it's one of those "quick draw" type fights. Whoever strikes first wins.

Originally posted by Raisen
Does superman have testes for this battle or just standard equipment

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Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Kind of hard to say... Cable was pretty much half dead when he fought Surfer. But his durability was questionable at best, it would be conceivable for Superman to just bum rush Cable and beat him into a coma. But I could see Cable getting into Clarks mind as well, so I guess it's one of those "quick draw" type fights. Whoever strikes first wins.

Bumrush? Planetary level TK that changed that landscape and rerouted rivers. Superman isn't touching him at full power.

Originally posted by One-Punch
Grodd looks just fine owning Superman here with TP and the placebo effect lol.

Your Despero scans specifically say Superman can't resist his TP, and Despero gets interrupted whenever he's trying to TP Superman. Here, try this on for size:

Agamemno did it so casually, simply had Luthor touch Superman to switch their minds. Shouldn't feel bad though, the same thing happened to the rest of the league. It was a fun story. Although Sinestro in Hal's body beating a Guardian was a little weird.

Pacifier was specifically stated to be a [b]psychic parasite. It's even bolded in the scan. You don't think Cable with his monstrous TK and TP can affect Superman the same way?

I forgot about Barda knocking Superman out with the Mega Rod before Sleeze mind-controlled him.

Then there's Zizik taking out Superman with a mind-bolt.

Remember the time Silver Banshee puts Superman in a trance and forces him to marry her? They technically do get married, and I don't remember them annulling the marriage...
http://s10.postimg.org/jee4xw2ll/Banshee.jpg
http://s10.postimg.org/rim92mp0p/Banshee2.jpg
http://s7.postimg.org/nd7q57q17/Banshee3.jpg

Superman specifically says Kosnor used "telepathic compulsion", to bring him to his knees and imprison them.
http://s9.postimg.org/h5np22h4f/Kosnor_o.jpg
http://s9.postimg.org/4czl255in/Kosnor.jpg

Darn, out of space for images, there are plenty more, but I think people get the picture.

But I like how Rao thinks only Superman fanboys read Superman comics. Superman fanboys (and notice I said fanboys and not fans because there's a big difference) are exactly the people you want to avoid when it comes to interpreting Superman comics. It's been shown time and time again the feats are grossly exaggerated to the point where Super fanboys think Superman is on average some unbeatable abstract/skyfather level. [/B]

Thing is,

A)Most all of these are pretty old. Over time he built up more and more resistance, just as all of his power continued to rise. [It's specifically mentioned, so I'll get to that later.]

B) And in most of them he is severely explicitly weakened.

Originally posted by Juntai

1) Brainiac 13: B 13 threw the fear of Earth's entire population into Superman's head -- Superman broke free of the attack within a panel or so. (Superman: Endgame TPB)

2) Despero: Despero had taken control of most of the JLA. He overtook bother Aquaman and J'onn Jonzz at the same time, but could not take Superman at all. (Pre-IC JLA issue)

3) Union: Union was the sum of billions of beings' mental strengths. He attacked Superman and Superman shrugged off his attack within a few panels and then beat down Union. (Superman in exile arc)

4) Neron: While in Hell, Neron attacked Superman's mind; Superman overcame it within a few panels. (Tie in to the Day of Judgment arc)

5) J'onn J'onzz: Superman throws J'onn J'onzz out of Superman's head. (Superman: King of the World). Mere contact with Superman's mind sends J'onn for a loop. (Superman: Where is Thy Sting) J'onn Jonzz states that his telepathy can not detect Superman if Superman does not wish to be detected.

6) The Fatal Five: Superman is attacked by the telepath of the Fatal Five. He resists her attack, pushing it back on her and taking her out.

7) Eclipso: Superman allows Eclipso into his head and then forces Eclipso out, just to see if he is strong enough mentally to do so. He then explains that, over the years, he builds up "a resistance to telepathy."

Keep in mind that final sentence.

And notice the level of those enemies.
Amped Despero.
The ruler of Hell, Neron.
Brainiac 13,
Eclipso, the former spirit of vengeance.
etc.

I'm not saying it means he'll win, as I'm not familiar with Cable's feats, but stop trying to sell him short.

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Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Bumrush? Planetary level TK that changed that landscape and rerouted rivers. Superman isn't touching him at full power.

So? Superman has more than one planetary strength feat.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
So? Superman has more than one planetary strength feat.

So? That won't help him get through to Cable and he won't even know where he is. Or did you forget Grod mind ****ed him? Cable is exponentially stronger and had top level TK.

So now its going from "low showings" to "omit all context and hope nobody catches me"? While its fun for me to show how butthurt you really are here, its not fun for everyone else it seems.

Originally posted by One-Punch
Grodd looks just fine owning Superman here with TP and the placebo effect lol.

What you forgot to mention that Grodd was hugely amped.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16859106/JLA-Incarnations2-30.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16859107/JLA-Incarnations2-31.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16859108/JLA-Incarnations2-32.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16859109/JLA-Incarnations2-33.jpg.html

What a coincidence, right?

Your Despero scans specifically say Superman can't resist his TP, and Despero gets interrupted whenever he's trying to TP Superman. Here, try this on for size:

Pacifier was specifically stated to be a [b]psychic parasite. It's even bolded in the scan. You don't think Cable with his monstrous TK and TP can affect Superman the same way?

Superman specifically says his nervous system was affected and it wasn't his TP or something.

And no, Cable did not show anything remotely like directly affecting nervous system.

I forgot about Barda knocking Superman out with the Mega Rod before Sleeze mind-controlled him.

Then there's Zizik taking out Superman with a mind-bolt.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23832918/sup_tes__0017.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23832919/sup_tes__0018.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23832920/sup_tes__0019.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23832921/sup_tes__0020.jpg.html

Funny how that works, eh?

Remember the time Silver Banshee puts Superman in a trance and forces him to marry her? They technically do get married, and I don't remember them annulling the marriage...
http://s10.postimg.org/jee4xw2ll/Banshee.jpg
http://s10.postimg.org/rim92mp0p/Banshee2.jpg
http://s7.postimg.org/nd7q57q17/Banshee3.jpg

Now, we are flat out ignoring all context mode.

Funny.

Superman specifically says Kosnor used "telepathic compulsion", to bring him to his knees and imprison them.
http://s9.postimg.org/h5np22h4f/Kosnor_o.jpg
http://s9.postimg.org/4czl255in/Kosnor.jpg

How many times you can ignore context?

Darn, out of space for images, there are plenty more, but I think people get the picture.

But I like how Rao thinks only Superman fanboys read Superman comics. Superman fanboys (and notice I said fanboys and not fans because there's a big difference) are exactly the people you want to avoid when it comes to interpreting Superman comics. It's been shown time and time again the feats are grossly exaggerated to the point where Super fanboys think Superman is on average some unbeatable abstract/skyfather level. [/B]

Its not incorrect if your behavior is any example. Superman has amny low showings, I know more than anybody here.

But these aren't them. These are flat out lying at best.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Maxima too has affected Superman psionically.

http://s553.photobucket.com/user/galanphotobook/media/maxima_telepathy20.jpg.html
http://s553.photobucket.com/user/galanphotobook/media/maxima_telepathy21.jpg.html
http://s553.photobucket.com/user/galanphotobook/media/maxima_telepathy22.jpg.html

http://s553.photobucket.com/user/galanphotobook/media/maxima_psibolt12.jpg.html

Second time, it was a psi blast which did nothing more than hurl him back.

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Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Damn Abby, just quit. You too, RAO. You can't have been more exposed.

All shit talking aside, Punch is 100% correct about how you clowns don't understand or refuse to accept that because characters like Superman are all over the place, the board goes by AVERAGES. You should be fine with this because although Superman's performances show a wide range of variance, he still has a fairly high means. In other words, you genius don't even have to resort to arguing exclusively from the high end (Abby), portraying him out of character (h1) and lying (Abby, RAO) like you are so willing to do on a daily basis. This proves you all are a fanboys, not fans.

Originally posted by leonidas
this is very true. thing is with superman, he has so many showings, that it's easy to find showings that contradict the above. i could see cable winning some of these, but trying to figure out how many is really tough given his range of showings.

Vince is even more shameless than I thought.

He enjoys using out of continuity and out of context scans.
it's the easiest way to make it look like he knows what he's doing.