Adult GT Goku vs Beerus

This is Goku in Dragonball GT, but, a wish was never granted against him. He retains his adult hood. This is him vs Beerus. He can only go Super Saiyan 2 though.

Does he have enough power to pull a majority here?

Yes.

The only form that was stated to be negatively affected by Goku being transformed into a child was SSJ3(his child form couldn't sustain SSJ3 as long as his adult form.) Aside from that, his power wasn't nerfed at all.

That said, SSJ2 GT Goku would be about 100x> SSJ3 Z Goku.

That's so retarded lol.

Originally posted by Damborgson
That's so retarded lol.

Gokus spitestomps

Originally posted by Galan007
The only form that was stated to be negatively affected by Goku being transformed into a child was SSJ3(his child form couldn't sustain SSJ3 as long as his adult form.) Aside from that, his power wasn't nerfed at all.

That said, SSJ2 GT Goku would be about 100x> SSJ3 Z Goku.

Showing wise....not so much

Why not. He roflstomped both infected Gohan and Goten who were at least SSJ1 while in his base form...

Humiliated SPC and Frieza who trained in hell, too. Again, base form.

Survived Omega Shenron's ki blasts while preparing a Genki-dama...

GT multipliers are still dumb 😐

Sure they are, but then again, Goku had plenty of time to train.

As long as his max is SSJ2, Beerus has a shot tbh.

Nothing really points to Beerus being 100x stronger than SSJ3 Goku. That's at least how strong GT SSJ2 Goku was

Originally posted by juggerman
Nothing really points to Beerus being 100x stronger than SSJ3 Goku. That's at least how strong GT SSJ2 Goku was

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It really just depends how much more powerful you believe SSJG was than SSJ3. Once you figure that out, add 40% to it(the difference between Beerus and SSJG Goku) and you'll have a rough-multiplier.

Still basing this on the idea that none of the Z fighters (Including SSJ Gohan) were a match for First Form Freiza. 5th form Freiza is a couple hundred times stronger than that, assuming his transformations are the same as they were in Z.

With that in mind? The idea of Beerus being 100x stronger than SSJ3 Goku is hardly outlandish.

Even before the Baby arc rolled around, Goku was getting hilarious gains in GT

Black Star Dragonball Saga powerscaling:

Base Goku (Planet M2 battle) ≈ Base Rildo > Unspecified Majin Buu form > Super Mega Cannon Sigma > Mega Cannon Sigma > Level 3 Luud > SSJ Goku (Planet Imegga battle) > Level 2 Luud > Ledgic > Base Goku (Beginning of GT) = Uub (BoGT) = Kid Buu

Goku was pretty satisfied with his fight against Uub, saying he wanted to go all-out against him for once, and considering the entire crux of Goku training Uub is to get him to his Kid Buu level of power for a good fight, I'm pretty comfortable with Uub being Kid Buu tier

Ledgic should be self-explanatory, just youtube the fight if you want

As for Luud, his level 2 form has great power according to Goku and Trunks stated Luud's ki was extraordinary, which wouldn't make sense if he's weaker than Ledgic IMO. Luud just couldn't use that power very well. Level 3 Luud is obviously even stronger, and considering Luud's previous form didn't flinch from Base Goku's kamehameha plus the gap between Base Goku and Ledgic not being gulf-like, Level 3 Luud should be above Imegga battle SSJ Goku.

The Mega Cannon Sigma squad got praise from Goku after the Luud battle, saying it's been a long time since he sensed power that amazing. Gill gave them Goku's battle data, which includes SSJ Goku's fight against Ledgic, and they were pretty confident of being able to beat Goku. It's only when Goku, in base, surpassed the data they had on him that they (in their combined Super Mega Cannon Sigma form) were beaten.

With all of that said, Base Rildo should be above Buu's higher absorbed forms, likely stronger than Buutenks at minimum

I hated Luud so much.

Sigma force probably wouldn't even be able to scratch the big baby.

Originally posted by Crimson Dragoon
Even before the Baby arc rolled around, Goku was getting hilarious gains in GT

Black Star Dragonball Saga powerscaling:

Base Goku (Planet M2 battle) ≈ Base Rildo > Unspecified Majin Buu form > Super Mega Cannon Sigma > Mega Cannon Sigma > Level 3 Luud > SSJ Goku (Planet Imegga battle) > Level 2 Luud > Ledgic > Base Goku (Beginning of GT) = Uub (BoGT) = Kid Buu

Goku was pretty satisfied with his fight against Uub, saying he wanted to go all-out against him for once, and considering the entire crux of Goku training Uub is to get him to his Kid Buu level of power for a good fight, I'm pretty comfortable with Uub being Kid Buu tier

Ledgic should be self-explanatory, just youtube the fight if you want

As for Luud, his level 2 form has great power according to Goku and Trunks stated Luud's ki was extraordinary, which wouldn't make sense if he's weaker than Ledgic IMO. Luud just couldn't use that power very well. Level 3 Luud is obviously even stronger, and considering Luud's previous form didn't flinch from Base Goku's kamehameha plus the gap between Base Goku and Ledgic not being gulf-like, Level 3 Luud should be above Imegga battle SSJ Goku.

The Mega Cannon Sigma squad got praise from Goku after the Luud battle, saying it's been a long time since he sensed power that amazing. Gill gave them Goku's battle data, which includes SSJ Goku's fight against Ledgic, and they were pretty confident of being able to beat Goku. It's only when Goku, in base, surpassed the data they had on him that they (in their combined Super Mega Cannon Sigma form) were beaten.

With all of that said, Base Rildo should be above Buu's higher absorbed forms, likely stronger than Buutenks at minimum

Anyway, I don't know if I can agree that Rilldo was on-par with some of Boo's more enhanced forms.

My basis: Oob and base Goku were about equal--Goku may have actually been a little stronger, but the difference was still marginal. As you mentioned: all indicators point to Oob being equal to Pure Boo(he was, after all, Pure Boo reincarnated, so that makes sense.) That said, base Goku and Rilldo were also equals--their entire battle was a stalemate.

So imo: base GT Goku ~ base Rilldo ~/> Oob = Pure Boo ~ SSJ3 Z Goku.

Thoughts?

Originally posted by Galan007
Very nice. No one appreciates power-scaling breakdowns like me. 👆

Anyway, I don't know if I can agree that Rilldo was on-par with some of Boo's more enhanced forms.

My basis: Oob and base Goku were about equal--Goku may have actually been a little stronger, but the difference was still marginal. As you mentioned: all indicators point to Oob being equal to Pure Boo(he was, after all, Pure Boo reincarnated, so that makes sense.) That said, base Goku and Rilldo were also equals--their entire battle was a stalemate.

So imo: base GT Goku ~ base Rilldo ~/> Oob = Pure Boo ~ SSJ3 Z Goku.

Thoughts?

Well, like I pointed out, there were a few battles leading up to Goku vs Rildo in which Goku praises the strength of his opponents and had to turn Super Saiyan for who I'd say is the weakest of them. Ledgic never got the "stronger than Buu" praise Rildo got, despite Goku being pretty much equal to Uub in the beginning of the series. Rildo would have to be stronger than one of Buu's higher forms at least for Goku's statement to make sense. This also means Goku's battles in space had him level up, of course.

Incidentally, I wouldn't put the below Rildo tier GT enemies at the level of the stronger Buu forms, considering Rildo is the very first to get the "stronger than Buu" accolade.

Yeah, I suppose that Goku could have inextricably leveled up between his fight with Oob and his fight with Rilldo(it's not like GT has to make any sense whatsoever, lol.)

It's also possible that he wasn't going all-out against Oob, like he would an enemy..? Similar to when Trunks attacked Goku with his Freeza-busting slashes--he was subconsciously holding back because he didn't want to hurt/kill Goku. /shrug